V61 or W572 Fake Ad Back

[Zach Wheat]

I only saved a picture fo the front of the card.....it was labeled as a 1923 Neilson's Chocolate....unfortunately no back scan. Anyone save a copy of the back scan?

[Zach Wheat]

Here is a Type II V61 of Aldridge with the same pic.......I am just not sure which fake ad backs (Type I or II or both) were added to the W572's.

[Leon]

The PSA one is obviously labelled incorrectly. I would bet there is no ad on the back. The other Aldridge could be a W573 or V61 (type 1 or 2) as they both have the same fronts....

The only way to distinguish a W573 from a V61(either series) is to see the back. If it is blank it's probably a W573, though they are on thinner paper anyway, and if there is a Neilson's ad then it's a V61. I have not seen W573's with any fake (or real) backs though there could be some. Here are few W573's with ad backs....There aren't too many though and, as I said before, most of these type ad back cards are W575-1s, which Burdick actually classified as having various backs. Being a bit of a purist I classify most of the E121 ad back cards (not American Caramel but others) as W575-1. regards

[brianp-beme]

I seem to remember reading about W572's that had a fake (Neilson's?) ad stamped on the back...perhaps it was in the SCD catalog. I don't remember if they showed a picture of the back or not, just a listing under the name of the Mfg stamp and indicating that the stamps were not legit. And have never seen those Cafe du Monde cards Leon...It still is cool to see something new (and sometimes twice a day) after so many years of collecting.

Brian

[Leon]

I am sure I have only seen a small fraction of backs...so there is no doubt there could be some W572's that have ads, real or fake.

[fkw]

Lemke has a picture of one in the SCD Standard Catalog, its right after the other 2 Neilson sets (page 242 in the 2009 SCD).

I have seen a couple on eBay but not in a long time. The ones I saw were graded by PSA.

They are thought to be authentic W572's with a modern stamp on back.

I have always thought they might be completely authentic (stamp included), but Ive never seen one in person. The reason being the back on these is of a different design. It is block letter like the V61-2's, but the wording is different, V61-2's say "Neilsons Big League Bars", these W572's say "Neilsons Chocolate Bars", etc...... plus they both say 120 in series which is also right for the W572's.

[rhettyeakley]

Like Frank says they are authentic W572's that were believed to be "stamped" on back with an ad for Neilson's Chocolate in order to deceive.

I have never personally examined one myself and have also wondered about their authenticity...but I am not privy to the info that Lemke used in the SCD write-up, so I am unsure if it was proven that these were falsely stamped or if they have info as to who was doing it, when they were doing it, or anything else.

Without having all the known details surrounding the W572 baseball players story I would point out that it wasn't without precident that Neilson's would create smaller cards like this... there were two different car sets produced by Neilson's around the same time (one in B/W on front & one in color which share the same style back)...see scan here comparing size of W572 (well cut) to the car series (I forget the ACC # for the cars):


Please note: the supposed "stamped" baseball backs are completely different from these car backs, I bring up the car cards only to compare the sizes of the two sets