Crossover Issue

[barrysloate]

Dan- in the case of the Plank, the 20 it got from SGC is an intermediate grade that PSA doesn't have. It's equal to a 1.5. PSA couldn't give it a 2, so it had no choice but to give it a 1. A 1.5 seems reasonable to me. It's beat up but still has decent eye appeal and no major problems other than wear.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Dan- in the case of the Plank, the 20 it got from SGC is an intermediate grade that PSA doesn't have. It's equal to a 1.5. PSA couldn't give it a 2, so it had no choice but to give it a 1. A 1.5 seems reasonable to me. It's beat up but still has decent eye appeal and no major problems other than wear.

PSA has a 1.5 grade.

[T206Collector]

...seeing front scans of PSA/SGC 1 cards that look minty mint to which people respond that the card was obviously undergraded is quickly developing into one of my Net54 pet peeves.

People -- card grading is not designed to organize cards on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of beauty or eye appeal. It is designed to capture the flaws in a card and alert potential buyers of those flaws in a way that was impossible prior to the advent of grading, i.e., to avoid me finding a back crease in my friend's 1933 Tris Speaker on the way home from a card show, when he thought the card was EX.

To be sure, people who sell their mint looking 1s for crap looking 1s prices are missing the boat. But that doesn't mean that the mint looking 1s should be graded any higher.

Buy the card -- not the holder; but use the number to help guide your purchase.

[collectbaseball]

In regards to the PSA 4 Wilie T207, why did it not receive an OC qualifier from PSA originlly? It has like 95/5 centering.

[dancollins]

One thing that would keep grading consistent is if the companies kept pictures of cards they graded from sets and used them as a guide when grading. That would actually help them stay more consistent.

T206Collector..... If people bought cards based on appearence instead of the grade no one would know what anything is worth. Unfortunately the grades ultimately determine the value of the cards. We all know grading is very subjective but to a point that is a cop out that bails out the grading companies. People pay money to have cards graded and therefore the grading companies owe it to the hobby, collector, and card industry to do a better job at being consistent especially when the value between grades is so substantial.

The one thing that I do like about the grading companies is they did at least set some standards as to what vg-ex and ex and so on should be. I remember back 12 years a go everything was raw and every dealer claimed everything to be way better than what the cards were.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by dancollins

T206Collector..... If people bought cards based on appearence instead of the grade no one would know what anything is worth. Unfortunately the grades ultimately determine the value of the cards. We all know grading is very subjective but to a point that is a cop out that bails out the grading companies.

Um... I buy cards based on grade and eye appeal. If you buy cards purely on grade then you are lucky because you'll never have to look at a scan again.

Originally Posted by dancollins

People pay money to have cards graded and therefore the grading companies owe it to the hobby, collector, and card industry to do a better job at being consistent especially when the value between grades is so substantial.

You know who agrees with this? Everyone at SGC.

Originally Posted by dancollins

The one thing that I do like about the grading companies is they did at least set some standards as to what vg-ex and ex and so on should be. I remember back 12 years a go everything was raw and every dealer claimed everything to be way better than what the cards were.

That's really the point of 3rd party grading -- to help identify the hidden flaws so that dealers can no longer claim that cards are higher than they really are.

[GasHouseGang]

This whole thing seems so silly when you read it. If you want a card to cross then don't submit it in another company's holder. If you want to get the proper grade you are hoping for you have to include a little note and state why you believe your card deserves a certain grade. COME ON! These companies are supposed to be grading cards as non biased third parties. I realize they provide a service, but should you be able to complain and then they will change the grade? If so, then the system is broken and these companies are not objective 3rd parties!

[calvindog]

Agree, completely. Collectors seem to think that if they just pay their bills to third party graders or -- gasp! -- they send them lots of cards, then all objectivity should be tossed out the window when the grades are handed out. If you want to put your own grades on your own cards I'd suggest starting your own third party grader; or perhaps submit your cards to PRO.