I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

brett · #1 05-21-2010, 03:35 PM

Hi Barry... Thanks for the replies, but that is definitely a Cleveland jersey from that era, and here's a pic of Shoeless Joe wearing it with Nap and Ty...

barrysloate · #2 05-21-2010, 03:36 PM

Hi Brett- we were posting at the same time, and my last one confirmed what you just said.

Chris-Counts · #3 05-21-2010, 09:18 PM

Curiously, "Lord catches his man" bears a resemblance to "Harry Lord at third." On that card, there's also an unnamed Cleveland player sliding in, but you can't see his face ...

sago · #4 05-24-2010, 03:35 PM

Here's a photo of Joe sliding into third base in 1913.

I'm not familiar enough with him to know if his sliding style was unique, but it looks similar to the one in the T202 photo.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 05-24-2010, 03:43 PM

Maybe someone should ask the Joe Jackson Museum what they think, or whoever maintains the Black Betsy website?

Matt · #6 05-21-2010, 03:38 PM

The jersey is Cleveland, and what can be made out of the player resembles Shoeless Joe, but as already mentioned I think a conclusive ID is going to be tough. I can think of a few others on the Cleveland team at the time (Falkenberg, Birmingham, James off the top of my head) who it could also be.

Matt · #7 05-21-2010, 03:42 PM

Here is the 1912 Naps team (couldn't get a 1911 quickly):

brett · #8 05-21-2010, 03:49 PM

I really appreciate everybody's thoughts and I'm happy that my first post wasn't a stupid one. Anyway, I'm a pretty big aficionado of Cleveland baseball history, and I know who all of the other guys you've mentioned are. When you look at this card in person it looks so much like Shoeless Joe's face that I'm almost sure that we've discovered something together here. I just wish we could see in the picture if he's wearing shoes.

LEIDEMEG · #9 05-21-2010, 03:54 PM

Why do I have this weird feeling people are scouring their personal collections and ebay looking for "Lord Catches His Man" cards

Peter_Spaeth · #10 05-21-2010, 03:56 PM

Check the ear.

brett · #11 05-21-2010, 04:10 PM

My last opinion on why I believe it's him is that on the back of almost every other center panel in the set it mentions all the players names involved in the picture as many of them were also featured on the side panels of other cards in the set. For players like Nap Lajoie or Sam Crawford who were only featured on center panels, their names are still mentioned in the back descriptions. Because Shoeless never authorized any tobacco cards and just became a full-time player that year I think it might explain why his name is not on the back of the card. Other Cleveland players who were named on the backs of other center panels or had their own side panels were Birmingham, Turner, Lajoie, Ball and Stovall. Besides, just look at his face... I'm 99.9% sure it's him.

4815162342 · #12 05-21-2010, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEIDEMEG

Why do I have this weird feeling people are scouring their personal collections and ebay looking for "Lord Catches His Man" cards

http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-T202-Hassan...item35a92eff47

tedzan · #13 05-21-2010, 04:13 PM

The Triple Folders are a 1911 issue, which would most likely reflect the 1910 season. Shoeless Joe played most of the 1910
season for the New Orleans Pelicans (and batted .354 to lead the the League). With Cleveland, he played in only 20 games
Therefore, the probability of the guy in this centerfold being Joe Jax is minimized. However, it does resemble him.

Nice observation.

TED Z

botn · #14 05-21-2010, 04:23 PM

I thought the T202s were issued in 1912...

brett · #15 05-21-2010, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

The Triple Folders are a 1911 issue, which would most likely reflect the 1910 season. Shoeless Joe played most of the 1910
season for the New Orleans Pelicans (and batted .354 to lead the the League). With Cleveland, he played in only 20 games
Therefore, the probability of the guy in this centerfold being Joe Jax is minimized. However, it does resemble him.

Nice observation.

TED Z

Hi Ted, no disrespect but this set is DEFINITELY from 1912. I've worked very long and hard to put a high-grade set together and it's my favorite set of all-time. Here's the description from Wikipedia...

The T202 Baseball card, also known as the Hassan Triple Folder was manufactured and distributed in the year 1912. The card was inserted into packs of "Hassan Cork Tip Cigarettes".[1] Several characteristics make this vintage Baseball card a standout amongst other forms of tobacco advertising of the time and lend to its value as a highly sought after collectible.

First and foremost the cards are quite large in comparison to the T205 (1911) and T206 (1909 to 1911) cards from the same time period. The T202 was designed as a triptych or as it is referred to in the baseball card collecting hobby a triple folder. Each of the end panels displayed an individual player in color, while the center panel contained a black and white photo of "live action" baseball players.[2] To insert the card into packs of cigarettes the two end panels were folded over the center panel. When the card is fully extended it measures 5 1/4" wide by 2 1/4" high.[3]

The T202 set consisted of 132 total cards with numerous combinations of end panels and center panels. Prominent players of the time who appear on the most end and center panel combinations are Christy Mathewson, who appears on ten different cards all on end panels, and Ty Cobb, who appears on a combination of over six different cards including end and center panels.

4815162342 · #16 05-21-2010, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4815162342

http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-T202-Hassan...item35a92eff47

Ok somebody fess up! Who bought it?

T206DK · #17 05-23-2010, 07:19 AM

yeah, I expect to see all you opportunists post your new T202's on the pick up thread. What a ridiculous stampede over something that will never be proven unless one of us is a time traveller.

rdixon1208 · #18 05-21-2010, 03:57 PM

Welcome to the board Brett and congratulations. Your first post has gotten more response than all of mine put together

I don't have much to add about the card except that there are some great photo ID guys here. I'll be following this thread closely.

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