I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by T's please

After I analyzed the evidence, with a dual-column gas chromatograph, Hewlett-Packard model 5710a with flame analyzing detectors, I have concluded that it could be anyone on the Cleveland team in 1911, but if I were going to make an educated guess, I would say it is either Joe Jackson or Ivy Olson.

I couldn't resist using a line from one of my favorite movies

r/
Frank

So you're Vinny's cousin eh?????

Sorry, it was waaay tooooooo easyyyyyyyy

Steve

[CW]

Interesting observation, Brett, and welcome to N54!

Here's a closeup image, cropped, with a little bit more contrast...

[tedzan]

Upon closer observation, he does pass the "ear test"....I have to agree, it's Joe Jax.

But, it begs the question....why wasn't Joe featured in this set ?

He did bat .408 in 1911, and he certainly deserves to be on one of the panels.

Actually, the bigger question is....why isn't Joe on any of the ATC cards (1912-1917)
featuring him as a Major Leaguer ? ?


TED Z

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't see how we can make a positive identification without being able to see his hair or his eyes, on a tiny image. I don't disagree that there is a resemblance, and it could well be he, but that hardly is proof positive.

[DixieBaseball]

Peter - There is not proof positive, but I think common sense says this is probably him due to resemblence, ears on blow up, etc. -- I would say it is more likely him than anyone else on the team. I like Brett's argument even though it can't be proved either way.

Were these panels taken from a photo/negative ? Was there a particular photographer for the orginal panel ? I don't know much about the T202's, but it would be neat to know the source of the middle panel...

[sportscardtheory]

How could it POSSIBLY go this long without anyone noticing.

[henson1855]

It could be Joe. I am thinking it is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

According to this site

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...26tbs%3Disch:1

This is a pic of Jax sliding into third

[tbob]

I think it will always remain a mystery. It could by Joe, but just as easily Terry Turner or Ivy Olson.
Turner seated with Jackson, the other two photos are of Ivy.

[tbob]

Turner's T207

[bmarlowe1]

Peter is as usual correct and his comments not only show considerable common sense, but also uncommonly good understanding of the this particular subject. Given what has been posted - it is simply not possible to tell who is sliding into third. If a high res scan will show more detail - let's see it. If more detail is not discernable - then we'll never know unless someone finds the original photo. Absent that , there should be no conclusion as to who it is.

I think the board has made a lot of progress recently with respect to jumping all over wishfull speculation as to images, There used to be a lot more of it, and it's almost always been wrong.

I'm sure Brett hasn't seen any of the numerous past threads on this subject - so I don't mean to jump all over him personally. I just don't like it because it feeds into the mind set that has allowed for so much mis-representation in the past.

[familytoad]

Folks,

It's not the ears or nose we need to be concerned with.

I think the T202 is Joe, but we need to zoom in to see his lips.

Please compare with this official, authentic photo of Joe before you make your decision.

Joe ain't grizzled. He's purty.