I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[Abravefan11]

If anyone is still interested in discussing the photo I would like to repeat a question that Paul asked earlier.

"Forget for a minute the identity of the player sliding into 3rd base. I think the pertinent question now is:
Were these two photos taken a split second apart? If the evidence indicates they are photos from the same play at third, then we know the baserunner is the same in both photos."

For those that sill aren't sure if the photo is Joe, do you doubt that these two photos were taken during the same play on the same day?

Don't worry I won't call you an idiot if you disagree with me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

If anyone is still interested in discussing the photo I would like to repeat a question that Paul asked earlier.

"Forget for a minute the identity of the player sliding into 3rd base. I think the pertinent question now is:
Were these two photos taken a split second apart? If the evidence indicates they are photos from the same play at third, then we know the baserunner is the same in both photos."

For those that sill aren't sure if the photo is Joe, do you doubt that these two photos were taken during the same play on the same day?

Don't worry I won't call you an idiot if you disagree with me.

It seems highly likely, almost certain, that it is the same. I still am somewhat surprised Joe's arm could have moved that much in the microinstant between the two photos, but the chances that there was another play at third base with so many similarities seems remote.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Is there a Pulitzer Prize for the hobby ? This is the most amazing discovery since sliced bread !

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It seems highly likely, almost certain, that it is the same. I still am somewhat surprised Joe's arm could have moved that much in the microinstant between the two photos, but the chances that there was another play at third base with so many similarities seems remote.

Peter at first glance Joe's arm stands out but when you look at Lord's right hand and his head you will see that they have moved a similar distance between the two photos.

Yet other things pointed out stay at consistent angles and positions.

What's missing to me is anything drastically out of place or shape. Given the few number of games played in Cleveland between these two teams I think the odds that there was another play at third that would so closely mirror the other is a real real long shot.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It seems highly likely, almost certain, that it is the same. I still am somewhat surprised Joe's arm could have moved that much in the microinstant between the two photos, but the chances that there was another play at third base with so many similarities seems remote.

What if the newspaper image was snapped at the time which Joe's body was no longer moving in his slide? You are assuming the movement of the body sliding coincides with the movement of the arm. The movement of the slide is pure momentum where as the movement of the arm is kinetic. We don't know if it was a fraction of a second or a full second between shots. Don't know about you but it does not take me more than a second to life my arm from my that distance. The arm is in the same position in both images.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by botn

What if the newspaper image was snapped at the time which Joe's body was no longer moving in his slide? You are assuming the movement of the body sliding coincides with the movement of the arm. The movement of the slide is pure momentum where as the movement of the arm is kinetic. We don't know if it was a fraction of a second or a full second between shots. Don't know about you but it does not take me more than a second to life my arm from my that distance. The arm is in the same position in both images.

Wouldn't he have slid hard enough that his momentum sould have carried him at least into the bag? Seems unlikely the second image was snapped when he was just lying there short of the bag. But who knows.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wouldn't he have slid hard enough that his momentum sould have carried him at least into the bag? Seems unlikely the second image was snapped when he was just lying there short of the bag. But who knows.

The object is to slide hard enough to make it to the bag. Does that happen all the time?

Not sure it is reasonable to expect a photographer to be able to coordinate with their subject matter that closely. This was not a posed image.

[Abravefan11]

Joe hadn't completed the slide as the point of the newspaper photo given it's description was to show that Lord tagged Joe before he touched the bag.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wouldn't he have slid hard enough that his momentum sould have carried him at least into the bag? Seems unlikely the second image was snapped when he was just lying there short of the bag. But who knows.

Time to find you a hobby.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Time to find you a hobby.

I collect 58 Mantles. Got one?

[calvindog]

Haven't seen one in a while.

[brett]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wouldn't he have slid hard enough that his momentum sould have carried him at least into the bag? Seems unlikely the second image was snapped when he was just lying there short of the bag. But who knows.

Keep trying buddy. And don't worry, your pal Mark will never leave your side. I don't care how long you've been here or if it's me against the entire board, you've shown me no respect and you'll get none in return. Keep making personal attacks like "asshole" and "dickhead" and you'll only expose yourself as another internet tough-guy. Besides, aren't there rules here against using those types of insults?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by brett

Keep trying buddy. And don't worry, your pal Mark will never leave your side. I don't care how long you've been here or if it's me against the entire board, you've shown me no respect and you'll get none in return. Keep making personal attacks like "asshole" and "dickhead" and you'll only expose yourself as another internet tough-guy. Besides, aren't there rules here against using those types of insults?

Brett- what you don't know is that Peter S and I have already exchanged emails about the language used. He has been on the board for years and years and yes, that does buy a lot of slack, unlike you. If I see any more inappropriate language, from anyone in this thread, I will edit it and give a warning. Even though this was a great first thread you posted, you are quickly losing any respect you might have garnered with your observation. Chill out and the others will too. regards

[barrysloate]

Leon- since sportscardtheory has made some less than flattering personal comments, shouldn't he not be allowed to remain anonymous? Technically Brett is anonymous too, since we only have a first name.

[brett]

Originally Posted by Leon

Brett- what you don't know is that Peter S and I have already exchanged emails about the language used. He has been on the board for years and years and yes, that does buy a lot of slack, unlike you. If I see any more inappropriate language, from anyone in this thread, I will edit it and give a warning. Even though this was a great first thread you posted, you are quickly losing any respect you might have garnered with your observation. Chill out and the others will too. regards

You got it Leon. I understand that this is your house and I'm just a guest. I'm sorry that things have deteriorated into what they have and I apologize to anybody who I've offended. Things started to get out of control a while back once the battle lines were drawn and I'm as guilty as anybody. I don't remember who started it and it's not important. I only intended to make a contribution here and I hope I have.
Brett