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Old 06-02-2010, 06:56 PM
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Almost 3 in one month.

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It's the best for baseball that it was blown, we don't need 3 perfect games in one month.

Also what if it was the other way around, umpire called him out but he was safe in the end.
I would respectfully disagree. You can't deny an amazing acomplishment for that reason. And the fact that there have been 3 in about a month is incredible; not anything that's bad for baseball. I would have to assume that nothing like this will ever happen again. 18 in all the years of MLB history only a month ago. What a crazy season this has been. I see nothing wrong with having a storybook baseball season!

Anyone for advocating expanding instant replay now.....
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It's the best for baseball that it was blown, we don't need 3 perfect games in one month.

Also what if it was the other way around, umpire called him out but he was safe in the end.

Would you feel the same way if it happened to Andy Pettitte?

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Not sure which was worse the blown call he made there or the blown call he made in the 8th on what should have been the Tigers 3rd out, allowing them to score 2 extra runs. Obviously his 9th inning call had a greater impact, but his 8th inning call looked pretty bad.
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A perfect (pun intended) way to keep showing that the umps are the center of the universe and it is all about them . Been a lot of that lately.

But seriously, what a horrific call and brings back memories of Denkinger, Jorge Orta, Todd Worrell, JC and the white rat!
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It's the best for baseball that it was blown, we don't need 3 perfect games in one month.

Also what if it was the other way around, umpire called him out but he was safe in the end.
Brock I have to totally disagree!
The man should be given the credit he is due! He did something that would have been history. I dont care if there were 10 perfect games in one month, he did it and was robbed on a totally bad call. Miguel Cabrera and Jim Leyland were right in giving him the business. If it was me I would have gotten myself thrown out of the game to protect my player! And what a class act Gallaraga was when he called him safe,just smiled and walked away! I dont know if I could have kept my composure like that.
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The more I think about it, if the Tigers protest the game the commissioner will have to make a ruling and is sure to overturn the decision. Clearly, the pitcher has been robbed of the celebration but he'll gain immortality.

I'm still in disbelief. I was at Game Six of the 1985 Series and saw the Denkinger call; at least in that one the error didn't end the game. This one is cut and dry.
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Oldtix, it is my understanding that an official protest must be registered before the next pitch, or at least not after the game has ended. Also, it is my understanding that you cannot protest a judgment call, only a rules interpretation or other limited call.

I don't think that this one will be rectified.
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A judgment call by an umpire cannot be protested. That said, the Commissioner has broad powers, but I don't see him stepping in and declaring this a perfect game.
The assertion earlier in this thread that this would be bad for baseball is the strangest and most misguided thing I've heard in a long time.

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A judgment call by an umpire cannot be protested. That said, the Commissioner has broad powers, but I don't see him stepping in and declaring this a perfect game.
The assertion earlier in this thread that this would be bad for baseball is the strangest and most misguided thing I've heard in a long time.

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I totally agree I dont know where Brock was when he was think of that but he should think really hard about what he said. Bad for baseball? How ? In what way is it bad? Yep I guess it would rank right up there with the steroid boys breaking The Maris home run record. Bad? Give the man the credit he is due for something that is very difficult to acomplish .
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I totally agree I dont know where Brock was when he was think of that but he should think really hard about what he said. Bad for baseball? How ? In what way is it bad? Yep I guess it would rank right up there with the steroid boys breaking The Maris home run record. Bad? Give the man the credit he is due for something that is very difficult to acomplish .
So you think it was best for baseball that cheaters took records away from players who earned there records. Maris earned his record, while Bonds, Mark and Sammy cheated to beat the record. Just like Bonds cheated Hank Aaron out of his homerun title.

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So you think it was best for baseball that cheaters took records away from players who earned there records. Maris earned his record, while Bonds, Mark and Sammy cheated to beat the record. Just like Bonds cheated Hank Aaron of the homerun title.
No Brock I said it Sarcastically. (note rollie eyes) The Maris record should stand. Until someone who isnt on the juice is proven to have beat it in the right way. Aarons record should also stand. What Im trying to still figure out from your statement is how 3 perfect game is bad for baseball. Only a moron would have said something like that!
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Just looked at it in slo-mo -- utterly routine play, not even close, runner out by almost a full stride. What's "bad for baseball" is umpiring that embarrassingly inept. A beer-league softball ump wouldn't have blown that one.
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The umpire admitted already that he blew the call. A couple of excerpts from the story on espn.com. It was classy of the kid not to throw a fit.


"I just cost that kid a perfect game," Joyce said. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."
"It was the biggest call of my career," said Joyce, who became a full-time major league umpire in 1989.


Joyce faced a group of hostile Tigers -- led by Leyland -- between the pitching mound and home plate after the final out and was booed lustily by the crowd of 17,738 as he walked off the field.
"I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me."
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The more I think about it, if the Tigers protest the game the commissioner will have to make a ruling and is sure to overturn the decision. Clearly, the pitcher has been robbed of the celebration but he'll gain immortality.

I'm still in disbelief. I was at Game Six of the 1985 Series and saw the Denkinger call; at least in that one the error didn't end the game. This one is cut and dry.

You can only protest a rules interpretation:

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4.19
PROTESTING GAMES.
Each league shall adopt rules governing procedure for protesting a game, when a manager claims that an umpire’s decision is in violation of these rules. No protest shall ever be permitted on judgment decisions by the umpire. In all protested games, the decision of the League President shall be final.
Even if it is held that the protested decision violated the rules, no replay of the game will be ordered unless in the opinion of the League President the violation adversely affected the protesting team’s chances of winning the game.
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Just caught the start of today's game. I take back everything I said aloud and quietly about Joyce. He's a class act. And he's human.
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Just a footnote, and not at all to derail the discussion here, but:

ctownboy: "If this were a disputed play that ended an NFL, NBA or NHL game, the officials would just go to instant replay and get the call right."

The 1999 Stanley Cup Final was decided on an egregiously blown call -- the infamous "No Goal" non-call in sudden-death overtime of Game 6, when Hull, with his foot well inside the crease and the puck well outside it (not merely illegal, but the controversial new rule that had all but defined that season), slid the puck in to wrongly end the game, the series, and the season. Instant replay in the NHL was de rigueur then, sickenly overused in fact and for exactly those sort of infractions, but with the Cup itself at stake, the officials never went to the video on the biggest play of the entire year.

As a footnote to that footnote, consider too the countless plays subjected to video review in the NFL over the past several years. How many times, despite it, have blown calls been held up and even correct calls been overturned? -- including some on huge game-turning, game-deciding plays... Too many to count...
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