Hobby Convention

Bosox Blair · #1 06-10-2010, 07:12 PM

PSA apparently used Barry's suggested approach with this Tango Eggs Buck Weaver card (which actually shows Joe Tinker):

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...x?itemid=13579

Cheers,
Blair

HRBAKER · #2 06-10-2010, 07:43 PM

Hobby convention certainly is to charge Cy Young prices for Irv Young cards that are captioned Cy Young.

oldjudge · #3 06-10-2010, 07:54 PM

Matt-The problem may be that the catalog is inconsistent, but the convention is certainly not going by the name on the card. I can point out ten examples, at least, in the Old Judge set where the image determines whose card it is. None of these are big names though. The Irv Young card is called Cy Young because it will sell for more as Cy. It is an Irv Young card with improper identification. Do you actually think if the card pictured Cy Young and had the name of Irv Young that it would be sold as an Irv Young card? The same with the Yum Yum. If it pictured Anson and was labeled Williamson do you think it would be sold as a Williamson card? Why do graders use the label on the card for the name on the slab? My guess is because it is easier and in most cases they don't know whose image it is.

Matt · #4 06-10-2010, 08:24 PM

Jay - if all your examples are OJs or pre 1900s examples, then perhaps there is a split in the "convention" and maybe there is no "hobby convention" at all.

rhettyeakley · #5 06-10-2010, 08:25 PM

I think the hobby convention is to actually follw the greater common denominator.

That meaning that if the card names a popular (or HOF) player and depicts a more common player it will always sell for more than the common but probably less than it would had it depicted the popular/HOF player...thus following MORE the value of the popular player than the common. The other way around could also work as well... say, a more common players card actually depicts a popular/HOF player it would also sell for far more than the common and more closely to what the more popular/HOF card would sell for (for example if a Yum Yum "Williamson" card actually depicted Anson--it would sell for far more than if it actually depicted Williamson.)

-Rhett

gracecollector · #6 06-10-2010, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I think the hobby convention is to actually follw the greater common denominator.

That meaning that if the card names a popular (or HOF) player and depicts a more common player it will always sell for more than the common but probably less than it would had it depicted the popular/HOF player...thus following MORE the value of the popular player than the common. The other way around could also work as well... say, a more common players card actually depicts a popular/HOF player it would also sell for far more than the common and more closely to what the more popular/HOF card would sell for (for example if a Yum Yum "Williamson" card actually depicted Anson--it would sell for far more than if it actually depicted Williamson.)

-Rhett

But what if the images are substituted in the same issue? Say the card labeled Anson actually pictures Williamson, and the card labeled Williamson actually pictured Anson. Which one is then the Anson card? It's always been my experience the card with the printed name/wrong image is the one that is refered to as that player's card. Guides will usually checklist it as Anson and footnote it "card actually depicts Ned Williamson."

Peter_Spaeth · #7 06-10-2010, 09:45 PM

It seems to me you have to go by the name, as the intent was to depict that player, even if the wrong photo was used, or the drawing bears no resemblance to the player. It should still be devalued, but may not be -- see the T206 Johnson pitching, can anyone claim it has any resemblance to him?

rhettyeakley · #8 06-10-2010, 10:21 PM

Peter, I'll do you one better... how about the E92 Frank Chance, does that really look like him? Maybe it just throws me b/c I don't recognize Chance's booty!?!

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