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07-02-2010, 05:04 PM
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I guess I would disagree with you on what those pictures show, and how they could have been taken moments apart.
More importantly, I also do not agree that these plays are so routine the players will always look the same. The play in the photo was unusual--a tag play at third. Even more odd is that Joe Jackson appears to have made a bonehead play--trying to advance to third on a ball hit to shortstop. Lord's feet and body are positioned for a throw from shortstop with a straddle for tagging purposes--not a throw from second base, first base, outfield or anywhere else, and not with feet postioned for a force play. This play simply does not happen that often, and I doubt that there was a "routine" way to receive such a throw that it would look the same every time, down to the wrinkles in the uniform. Hopefully we can eventually pull play by play or other newspaper accounts to see if this tag play happened in any of the other games played by these two teams in Cleveland that season. I note that in the box score for the 5/6 game, Harry Lord was credited with 0 putouts, so we can eliminate that game as a source for the t202 card image as well. 
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07-02-2010, 05:37 PM
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As to the slider's arm and hand movement - try to think about it this way. Let's say the runner was running 18 mph (a ballpark figure - close enough). During the slide he is decellerating - so he is moving at less than his running speed - less than 18 mph. It appears that from the earlier in time photo (the card) to the later in time photo (in the newspaper) he has moved a foot or two closer to 3rd base. So - in that amount of time could a human move his hand from his waist to his face? How fast would his hand have to move? Actually not that fast - his hand would have to move at very roughly the same speed as his feet. Seems pretty easy to me.
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07-02-2010, 06:07 PM
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I"m not doubting the ability or possibility to move your hand, I'm doubting that the body language of the player in the T202 photo suggests the outcome shown in the newspaper photo. I know your reputation for photo identification and I don't mean to question or challenge your ability or put down the opinions of others. I just want to make that clear. All I'm trying to do is put my opinions out there and talk about what I see.
Last edited by packs; 07-02-2010 at 06:23 PM.
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07-02-2010, 06:18 PM
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All of the body parts that change position on both Lord and Joe move proportionally from one photo to the next. All of the body parts that remain relatively stationary are in the same position in both photos. Importantly there is not an indicator that I believe you can point to from one photo to the next that is far enough out of context to discredit the stance that both photos were taken of the same play.
Last edited by Abravefan11; 07-02-2010 at 06:20 PM.
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