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OK, some are asking for scans, others think it is a re-fronted (or re-backed) card, and others have questioned the existence
of this Kleinow / DRUM card. Besides your responses, I have received several emails. I will tell you this card is not a new find. This card has been known since the early 1980's. My source for this card is Bill Heitman, who at one time either had it or had seen it. My experience with Bill is.....that every T206 front / back combo that he has personally confirmed (years ago), have eventually surfaced. Therefore, if Bill said it exists, that's certainly good enough for me. Regarding Kleinow (Boston) with any other 350 Subjects back.....I say it is virtually impossible. American Litho's (ALC) timeline is such that their 350-series press runs were completed by mid-Summer of 1910. Their last batch of 350 series cards were the AB 350, CYCLE 350 and BROAD LEAF 350 (we have ALC records to this effect). Followed by the DRUM 350 press run late in the Summer of 1910. Kleinow was acquired by Boston on May 26, 1910. By the time ALC was aware of the team change, they were printing DRUM backs. They simply changed the caption. No artwork change was necessary since Kleinow's chest protector cov- ered his uniform's New York logo. So, they printed his Boston card in this DRUM press run. Another timeline that reinforces the above timeline is the ALC's first printing of their 460 series cards, which according to my re- search must of occurred in mid-Summer of 1910....and the initial 460 series press runs consisted of the SOVEREIGN brand. This I believe is true due to the following 2 reasons...... (1) The six super-prints were re-printed with SOVEREIGN 460 backs (these 6 super-prints were the very first 460 series cards). (2) Kleinow (Boston) and F. Smith (Chicago & Boston) are NO-PRINTS in the SOVEREIGN 460 series. However, Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Chicago & Boston) were subsequently printed with most of the other T206 brands that are in the 460 series. Frank Smith and Billy Purtell were traded from Chicago to Boston on Aug. 9, 1910. Purtell (Chicago) is found with a DRUM back, which further narrows down the printing date of the DRUM cards to no later than Aug of 1910. That's it guys....the above timelines pretty well tell the story. Sorry, but I cannot further continue to debate hypotheticals.... namely, Kleinow with an AB 350 back (or any other 350 backs). It is what it is......so, if you want to continue to discuss Kleinow with a DRUM back, I'm all for continuing that subject. TED Z Edited to add Billy Purtell to this mix. Last edited by tedzan; 07-19-2010 at 06:44 AM. |
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