1915 Federal League Cracker Jacks

#1 07-31-2010, 05:01 PM

Three comments

1. The real typo is the very fact that JIM VB is still alive and kicking with his
silly comments. When one is discussing the subject of condensation, one need look no further than the few remaining brain (brainless) cells in this low life red neck's excuse for a mind

2. We do respond to posts, but in the 90 minutes between the time we originally posted and the time we were "bashed' for not posting, we were working with a client in Greece on a $1000 hour consulting project.

3. As for Mr. Suggs- we recently obtained his card from a Board Member who responded to one of our most recent America's Toughest Want List posts.

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Jim VB · #2 07-31-2010, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

Three comments

1. The real typo is the very fact that JIM VB is still alive and kicking with his
silly comments. When one is discussing the subject of condensation, one need look no further than the few remaining brain (brainless) cells in this low life red neck's excuse for a mind

2. We do respond to posts, but in the 90 minutes between the time we originally posted and the time we were "bashed' for not posting, we were working with a client in Greece on a $1000 hour consulting project.

3. As for Mr. Suggs- we recently obtained his card from a Board Member who responded to one of our most recent America's Toughest Want List posts.

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

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#3 07-31-2010, 05:29 PM

Jim VB

The BS Meter you created is designed for you. In fact, it would be best
if we you threw you in the barn with a bunch of smelly old cows
horses, and pigs and they could BS all over you

Of course, we would be happy to challenge you with regard to either the Suggs card or the consulting assignment. How does $10,000 sound.

We're sure it is about time to go feed the pigs and the other members of your family. Keep up good work, Mr. BS

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

Jim VB · #4 07-31-2010, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

We're sure it is about time to go feed the pigs and the other members of your family.

You're absolutely correct. We have reservations this evening at the Mansion on Turtle Creek. I should hurry.

barrysloate · #5 07-31-2010, 05:56 PM

Come to think of it...don't we have a board rule that states you may not discuss someone's family?

Jim VB · #6 07-31-2010, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Come to think of it...don't we have a board rule that states you may not discuss someone's family?

We don't mind, in this case. (A couple of them are pretty sloppy.)

Thrill-of-the-Hunt · #7 07-31-2010, 05:40 PM

after all these years, nobody is more interesting than bruce(s). he does have some incredible material, who else could call jim vb a brainless redneck and no one is really offended by it. it does seem he was trolling a bit to obtain some tough cards, or information for this subset. never-the-less its always an entertaining read with his and all the others comments.

1915 cracker jacks in psa 8 seem to be quite available, perhaps alot of sets were sent from the factory in those days and kept safe. 1914 is another story entirely, randy stuckemeyers set (on the sgc registry) is astonishing.

bruce owns perhaps one of the most incredible small group of cards in the hobby, an intact 4 panel group of 1914 boston garters (if he hasnt sold it off)

bruce, if you are reading this, what are the players on the piece?

Jim VB · #8 07-31-2010, 05:48 PM

Rand,

You weren't greatly offended by the mean, hurtful, names Bruce called me??? I was crushed I tell you, just crushed.

Wow. You must have thick skin!

(See for yourself who is on the panel. Looks like Chance, Bescher, Clarke and Chase.)

barrysloate · #9 07-31-2010, 05:48 PM

Well this may not have been the response I was anticipating...but at least Bruce responded.

#10 07-31-2010, 05:56 PM

We will we never sell this item, but we plan to leave it to a museum
which will obtain a large part of our collection

There are two HOF's and two non-HOF on the sheet. It can be found in several books including Baseball Archaeology-photography by Brett Wills

We will soon be commissioning Mr. Wills to catalog our entire collection
and we will sell as a table top book

The aforementioned Garter Sheet can be found page 47 of the book
Players are: Chance, Clarke, Besher and Hal Chase.

To the best of our knowledge this is the only known such sheet

Remarkably it was discovered in 1985 by Mr. Mint who had no idea what it was. He sold it to Mastro who sold it to Lifson who sold it to me

Bruce Dorsskind
America's Toughest Want List

Kawika · #11 07-31-2010, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

We will we never sell this item, but we plan to leave it to a museum
which will obtain a large part of our collection

There are two HOF's and two non-HOF on the sheet. It can be found in several books including Baseball Archaeology-photography by Brett Wills

We will soon be commissioning Mr. Wills to catalog our entire collection
and we will sell as a table top book

The aforementioned Garter Sheet can be found page 47 of the book
Players are: Chance, Clarke, Besher and Hal Chase.

To the best of our knowledge this is the only known such sheet

Remarkably it was discovered in 1985 by Mr. Mint who had no idea what it was. He sold it to Mastro who sold it to Lifson who sold it to me

Bruce Dorsskind
America's Toughest Want List

Make sure you spell Dorskind correctly on the table top book.

Rob D. · #12 07-31-2010, 06:41 PM

Bruce Dorsskind
America's Toughest Want List

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kawika

Make sure you spell Dorskind correctly on the table top book.

Legitimate lol.

Rich Klein · #13 07-31-2010, 06:46 PM

The least you could do is invite Leon and myself to tag along and put us on your tab. Bet we're better company than whomever else you invite

#14 07-31-2010, 06:10 PM

As long as JM VB keeps firing bullets, we will return the favor with nuclear
missiles. His unprovoked commentary on everything we write is a tribute
to his total lack of character and a disregard for the rules against personal
attack. Personally, we'd like to see him cross the border from Mexico
into Arizona and see what our hero, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his team, do to solve the Jim VB problem.

The eyes of Texas are upon you, Jim

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
(212) 734-7362

barrysloate · #15 07-31-2010, 06:23 PM

Bruce- Don't mean to nitpick, but wouldn't you say some of your posts are sorta kinda personal attacks?

Thrill-of-the-Hunt · #16 07-31-2010, 06:41 PM

jim, this is so freakin funny that i hope you can take a step back and laugh a little. 1914 CJ's are so so tough to find unstained (for obvious reasons) randy's set was factory sent and the person who brought it the collecting world hand the orginal envelope it was sent in, the mathewson graded sgc 86 and jackson an sgc 98 (gem mint). a once in a life time acquisition.

the 1915's (a full year later) had pleny of mail in offers from the 1914 boxes, so makes sense on the availability. everyone already knows this.

bruce, thanks for the info on the panel. are you a set collector as well or mainly a type card collector?

have you obtained any of the other boston garter singles?

jim, btw, mansion at turtle creek IS a top top destination and has won every award available in the fine dining industry.

calvindog · #17 07-31-2010, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Bruce- Don't mean to nitpick, but wouldn't you say some of your posts are sorta kinda personal attacks?

I'm hardly here to defend Bruce, but didn't he just start an earnest thread here?

FrankWakefield · #18 07-31-2010, 06:38 PM

3 things...

First, the 1914 cards aren't found rougher because they were available only one at a time in boxes while the 1915 cards were available through the mail... was the 1914 container really a box? True the 1915 cards could be obtained as mentioned on the backs of the 1915 cards, the set for a quarter. But two serious factors about the condition difference, 1914 cards are on what is closer to thick paper than cardstock, the 1915 cards are much thicker / stiffer. And secondly, kids who jumbled them together towards making a set shuffled the cards about, with the 1914 cards going through one extra year of wear and tear. That's why the 1914s are more subject to damage, and are worn more.

Second, Bruce, if you've just acquired Suggs, do you feel that his card was less available because it took you longer to acquire one? I know you seek pristine cards, was it that you saw lots of Suggs' cards, but only recently one up to your standards? Or do you think you've seen fewer Suggs cards than some of the others that you previously acquired??

I have a scan of my 6 Cracker Jack cards depicting Federal League players. I know they fall way short of your standards, Bruce. I would pick them up when the opportunity presented, the Cracker Jack cards show the Federal League uniforms, that's not the case with the T213 Federal Leaguers. One card, the Falkenburg that is in the top left corner, is a 1914 card. The other 5 are 1915 cards.

Third, thank you Bruce for responding, notwithstanding the chatter from the others. Bruce, any of the cards seem more difficult to you than the others, or super easy? Anyone else have a feel for that?

Jim VB · #19 07-31-2010, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

3 things...

First, the 1914 cards aren't found rougher because they were available only one at a time in boxes while the 1915 cards were available through the mail... was the 1914 container really a box? True the 1915 cards could be obtained as mentioned on the backs of the 1915 cards, the set for a quarter. But two serious factors about the condition difference, 1914 cards are on what is closer to thick paper than cardstock, the 1915 cards are much thicker / stiffer. And secondly, kids who jumbled them together towards making a set shuffled the cards about, with the 1914 cards going through one extra year of wear and tear. That's why the 1914s are more subject to damage, and are worn more.

1. Lipset's Encyclopedia says "box."

2. Certainly, the difference in paper stock made a big difference.

3. I'm having a hard time buying that much of the difference is due to the fact that one set (1915) is 95 years old but the 1914's are worse because they are 96 years old. I understand what you're saying Frank, but can't believe it's much of a difference.

Jim VB · #20 07-31-2010, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrill-of-the-Hunt

1915 cracker jacks in psa 8 seem to be quite available, perhaps alot of sets were sent from the factory in those days and kept safe. 1914 is another story entirely, randy stuckemeyers set (on the sgc registry) is astonishing.

By the way Rand, you are absolutely correct on this. The 1914 cards were only available in boxes of Cracker Jacks, so their condition is usually rough. The 1915 were available through the mail and they seem to have held up much better.

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