Anyone else having issues with USPS Delivery Confirmation?

[t206hound]

I was alerted to an item that never got delivered when paypal withheld funds from me. It was a full month after shipment. Looking at USPS (even now), I see only the following:

Status: Processed through Sort Facility
Your item was processed through and left our [removed] facility on May 03, 2010. The item is currently in transit to the destination. No further information is available for this item.

I've come to learn that delivery confirmation does not guarantee delivery. It's simply a notification once (if) delivery occurs. This was an approximately $20 item (I always insure over $50). I went to the post office and they had no information. They promised a call back, but never did. I chalked it up as a loss, and figured in the long run it was still cheaper to not insure under $50. If it happens more frequently, however, I might change my opinion.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by t206hound

I was alerted to an item that never got delivered when paypal withheld funds from me. It was a full month after shipment. Looking at USPS (even now), I see only the following:

Status: Processed through Sort Facility
Your item was processed through and left our [removed] facility on May 03, 2010. The item is currently in transit to the destination. No further information is available for this item.

I've come to learn that delivery confirmation does not guarantee delivery. It's simply a notification once (if) delivery occurs. This was an approximately $20 item (I always insure over $50). I went to the post office and they had no information. They promised a call back, but never did. I chalked it up as a loss, and figured in the long run it was still cheaper to not insure under $50. If it happens more frequently, however, I might change my opinion.

It's insured, but if the delivery confirmation says it didn't arrive what's to keep someone from getting the card and then demanding a refund because the evidence suggests they never received it? Given the guy has a 2400+ perfect feedback rating I'm not really worried about that, but it seems like it could be possible for a buyer to make that claim.

[slidekellyslide]

Delivery confirmation is a joke. I had an item recently that said it was delivered to me at 12 noon on a Friday...I didn't get it until Saturday. I have no clue what happened, but I'm thinking the fill in mailman for my regular guy just scanned it in the truck and didn't bring it up to my house...of course when questioned about it he swore he delivered it to my front porch..which caused me to freak out, but I digress....

[mintacular]

Your best bet in the future is to have the postal worker scan it in person, there is a thing that looks like an iron that they should hold up and scan it in...If you just drop it off in your mailbox it will probably never get scanned properly. Also, if you just hand them the package at the office and don't say anything they usually don't bother to scan it in. I'm referring to paypal printing labels.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Delivery confirmation is a joke. I had an item recently that said it was delivered to me at 12 noon on a Friday...I didn't get it until Saturday. I have no clue what happened, but I'm thinking the fill in mailman for my regular guy just scanned it in the truck and didn't bring it up to my house...of course when questioned about it he swore he delivered it to my front porch..which caused me to freak out, but I digress....

Apparently the tracking is a mess across the board. I had a seller send me a card last month Express Mail and it was guaranteed to be delivered by noon. I met the mailman at the box around 11 AM expecting my card and he said the Express packages hadn't even come in when he left to start his route. I checked the tracking number and got the "delivery was attempted and a notice was left message" which I found odd since I had just talked to the mailman. I called the post office to ask where my package was and they told me the Express truck just came about five minutes before I called and it was sitting at the post office. I assume the guaranteed delivery by noon means to the post office and not the recipient?

[BearBailey]

This also can happen if someone has their mail on hold. I recently came back from a one week vacation and had my mail on hold. When they delivered everything all of the things that needed to be scanned and or signed for were attached to the packages, I had a few emails from sellers wondering what happened as they had similar messages when they tried to track the packages. I checked a few days later and the status for the items I received were never updated.

[D. Bergin]

Score 1 for the Post Office.

Just got a call from a customer. A media mail package that showed it was stuck in Jersey City for the last 50 days, finally made it's way to it's destination in Los Angeles.

I had already given a refund and given up on it, so props to the customer for letting me know.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by t206hound

I was alerted to an item that never got delivered when paypal withheld funds from me. It was a full month after shipment. Looking at USPS (even now), I see only the following:

Status: Processed through Sort Facility
Your item was processed through and left our [removed] facility on May 03, 2010. The item is currently in transit to the destination. No further information is available for this item.

I'm a bit confused as to what happened in this situation. Did PayPal take the money because the buyer reported the card as not being received or was it because the tracking number showed it as not delivered? Considering delivery confirmation doesn't seem to be too reliable I'm hoping PayPal can't just take money from you because the tracking number says it wasn't delivered.

[t206hound]

I didn't get a single message from the buyer. At exactly one month after shipment, the funds associated with the purchase were withheld. I can only assume that the buyer opened a case with Paypal.

Personally, I keep track of all of my purchases, and if something didn't arrive within 10 days, I would contact the seller. It was odd to me that it was a full month after the shipment. It almost appeared as though the buyer trolled through all of the paypal confirmations looking for instances of the DC not stating 'delivered'... but that's the conspiracy theorist in me. It's just as likely, however, that the individual typically wins several items and does a month end reconciliation on items purchased and received.

Originally Posted by Doug

I'm a bit confused as to what happened in this situation. Did PayPal take the money because the buyer reported the card as not being received or was it because the tracking number showed it as not delivered? Considering delivery confirmation doesn't seem to be too reliable I'm hoping PayPal can't just take money from you because the tracking number says it wasn't delivered.

[Doug]

I was wondering from the way that it sounded as if PayPal has some kind of system that alerts them if an item is shown as not delivered within a month after it was shipped and they just take your money. If your buyer did open a case for an item not received I thought PayPal would have to contact you and try and see what happened before they just go taking money from your account. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of protection for the seller to keep a buyer from filing a claim on you even if they did get the card as long as the tracking number shows it as not delivered.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Doug

It doesn't seem like there's a lot of protection for the seller to keep a buyer from filing a claim on you even if they did get the card as long as the tracking number shows it as not delivered.

Agreed. If there was a DC, and it never gets scanned as delivered, then the arbitrator (Paypal) will always side with the buyer if a case is opened.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by t206hound

Agreed. If there was a DC, and it never gets scanned as delivered, then the arbitrator (Paypal) will always side with the buyer if a case is opened.

I'm pretty sure I don't have to worry about a case being opened since the buyer emailed me that he received the card and left me a positive feedback, but from your other post it seemed like they took the money from you without the buyer even opening a dispute since nobody ever contacted you about it. I tried calling them and getting an explanation as to if they will take money from your account if you have an item that shows as undelivered for so long and they didn't give me a straight answer. In fact they suggested I call USPS and tell them change the delivery status to "delivered" which I'm not sure how that would even be possible since I assume they need the bar code off of the already delivered package to scan it.

[mcap100176]

I don't do delivery conformation. I do insurance for over $50. The post office can track packages through the insurance. Protects me while providing tracking. I also never do the Ebay/PayPal shipping label. I take it to the Post Office.