SABR "2010 Overlooked 19C BB Legend" Vote Results

Misunderestimated · #1 08-12-2010, 12:16 AM

I believe that Dahlen and White are the only ones formally being considered by the relevant HOF's veteran's subcommittee -- 19th century player and later umpire Hank O'Day is also on the ballot right now (but as an Ump-- he wasn't much of a player anyway)

barrysloate · #2 08-12-2010, 05:43 AM

I voted for Stovey, who finished third. But as I recall I wrote in Jim Creighton and he didn't even crack the top ten. I think to an extent he is a forgotten baseball hero.

GaryPassamonte · #3 08-12-2010, 06:18 AM

The only "superstars of their time" on that list are Barnes and Stovey. They also are the players on the list that received the most votes in the initial HOF election of 1936, 3 for Barnes and 6 for Stovey. White received 1 vote in 1936 and last year's winner, Browning, received 0 votes. Many of the people that voted in 1936 had seen all of them play. Today's voters can't claim the same first hand perspective.

JasonL · #4 08-12-2010, 06:29 AM

as to how difficult it is to elect anyone from any era, is the fact that last year's leading vote getter (Browning) did not place anywhere in the list you posted this year!

Matt · #5 08-12-2010, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

The only "superstars of their time" on that list are Barnes and Stovey. They also are the players on the list that received the most votes in the initial HOF election of 1936, 3 for Barnes and 6 for Stovey. White received 1 vote in 1936 and last year's winner, Browning, received 0 votes. Many of the people that voted in 1936 had seen all of them play. Today's voters can't claim the same first hand perspective.

That's an important point - it's the "Hall of Fame", not the "Hall of Great." Statistics certainly play a role in determining admission, but the popularity of the player is often left out of many of these discussions when it is a relevant factor.

GaryPassamonte · #6 08-12-2010, 08:31 AM

Jason- Browning was not included in this year's voting. Each year's winner is no longer in the mix.

kkkkandp · #7 08-12-2010, 08:52 AM

I am just as surprised at the poor showing by George Van Haltren. He is on many of the "best players not already in the Hall of Fame" lists and his statistics are certainly comparable to Dahlen's.

While Browning had an outstanding average, his totals are substantially lower than both Dahlen's and Van Haltren's and Browning's career was basically over at 32. I think he gets a lot of attention simply due to the "Louisville Slugger" connction as well as his colorful lifestyle.

oldjudge · #8 08-12-2010, 09:07 AM

I concur that Browning was the class of the list. The arguement against him was that he excelled in a weaker league (the American Association). However, in 1890, while competing with the stars of the National League in the Player's League, he led the league in hitting.
I would like to see Dummy Hoy and Dave Orr on that list also. Personally, I think Browning, White, Hoy, Orr, Stovey, Caruthers and Van Haltren all belong in the HOF. You can take McCarthy and Maz out for starters to make room.

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