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Scouting Cards
I recently came across these and wanted know if anyone knew about these. Any explanantion of what is being filled out would be appreciated (abbreviation, terminology, etc. ) Thanks in advance.
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Cool !
looks like cards the SD Padres kept on opposing players.
First one is Jody Davis of the Cubs Describes how to defend against him as a hitter, for instance all the infield positions were to play him straight away (normal spots), while the CFer should hint a couple steps towards left...the dots are the scatter plot of his hits YTD, most likely...don't expect him to bunt, etc... at least that's my guess!
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Last edited by joelsabi; 08-25-2010 at 03:36 PM. Reason: typo |
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It means play closer to the right-field line, indicating they think the batter is more of a pull hitter than a guy who hits to the gap, or alley, between center field and right field.
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What does OPP stand for? I think H & R man is hit and run man so does OPP mean opportunity? |
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Wow...I've kept stats and scorebooks for a long time and never heard or needed OPP. Here's what I found:
Opp: Opportunities--At bats that put the ball in play but did not result in a hit. |
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Again, my educated guess. Edited to add: For what it's worth, after posting this I texted a friend of mine who manages in the Giants organization. He agreed that it probably means what I thought but wasn't 100 percent sure. You never know, OPP could stand for something that was specific to that team. Last edited by Rob D.; 08-25-2010 at 04:24 PM. |
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Both of your ideas seem logical. Any other opinions on meaning of OPP? |
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So how would you interpret Steal = NO Delayed Steal?
That Jody Davis does not steal but the coach may call a delayed steal when he is at first. Last edited by joelsabi; 08-25-2010 at 04:29 PM. |
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Typically the slower runners on a team are the most likely candidates to try a delayed steal. Davis, a catcher, would be such a candidate. That's why they noted he won't try a delayed steal (because otherwise you might assume he'd be a candidate). You'd probably never see a notation of "No delayed steal" on a card for a Rickey Henderson or Vince Coleman, because those guys weren't candidates to try a delayed steal.
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You know, that line could be read either way. Your explanation could be the right one. It all depends on how the Padres filled out these cards.
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Actually, executing a delayed steal really requires a keen sense of timing, as opposed to speed (a catcher who's not paying attention also is required). Some guys can do it well, and others can't do it at all. Most don't feel comfortable at all trying it.
If you do it correctly, you can be the slowest guy in the world and pull it off. Last edited by Rob D.; 08-25-2010 at 04:41 PM. |
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Here are two more examples. Maybe someone know the tendencies of Mike Scioscia and Matt Williams so we can determine what the Scout meant for Steal situations.
Thanks in advance. I find these cards interesting. |
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Opps the Matt Williams is a duplicate. Here is Eric Davis for compare and contrast.
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On Scioscia, the book on him is he will delay steal.
The Opp. on Scioscia ... I do not have an answer. On Davis, the book on him is he will steal, especially on the first pitch of the count (or the first pitch after arriving at first base). The advice is for the pitcher to wait a little extra longer (hold ball) while he's in the stretch before delivering the pitch. This is done because a lot of pitchers fall into a groove in which they come to the stretch, wait a second and deliver the pitch. Good base stealers can get a heck of a jump by timing this. So holding the ball takes that away from the runner. |
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So are these Reports held by the Base Coach or the Manager during a game?
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Not necessarily. They're cards that advance scouts (scouts who watch an opponent one or two weeks before it's scheduled to play his team) fill out and give to the manager and coaching staff. The manager and coaches might go over the info with their players before a series. It's possible that a manager might keep them within arm's reach during a game, but it's not like he's constantly looking at them.
And honestly, players and coaches in the majors know each other really well, so these cards are more a formality than a reference work. When they do come in handy is when younger players are just breaking into the league and opposing managers might not know a lot about them. |
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They are pretty cool. I remember about 15-20 years ago a collector acquired a couple hundred of current players and made it a project to get as many as possible autographed. I thought that was a pretty clever idea.
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Davis and Davis...
Jody was indeed one of the slowest MLB I ever watched, and I watched nearly every game he played for several years, growing up a Cubs fan...though my memory is colored by having seen his speed decrease over the years, too. By the end, I don't think he could have stolen second during the entire time it took Harry Caray to recite Take me out to the Ballgame!
Regarding Eric Davis, does that actually say to run on his arm??!!! The way I remember him is that he had an absolute cannon! huh?
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Thank God you guys figured it out before I got here. That's NOT what Naughty By Nature says OPP stands for! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.P.P._(song)
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