Another New T205 Variation

[marcdelpercio]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Nice find!

My question is this though.....

Do all Piedmont backed Millers have the "B" instead of the "D"?

This would be the same as the Mathewson stat error, where all the (I believe Hassan) backs have the error. If there are Piedmont Millers with a "D" and others with a "B", then I would think this is a major find. If, like the Matty, all Piedmont Millers have the "B", then, while still a nice catch, it wouldn't rise to the level of a major variation.

Steve

Steve,
There are Piedmont backed Millers with the "D". I have an SGC 50 Piedmont 42 back that has the "D". I have yet to find a Piedmont 25 back that has the "D". Also, both variations appear with the Polar Bear back as well. This is unlike the Mathewson Cycle and Doc White Polar Bear variations which only appear with one back (though I still consider those variations anyway...not to reopen that debate ).

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by marcdelpercio

I have yet to find a Piedmont 25 back that has the "D".

Marc,

My Piedmont 25 has the "D" back. I believe that I bought this one from you last year.

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Frank

[Bridwell]

Good going, Marc. A super find. Now, which variation is the rarest? Everyone should compare their Polar Bears and Piedmonts.

[Matt]

Marc - great find! The T205 issue still has much to be discovered and researched.

[frohme]

My Miller Pied 25 looks a lot like Turner's Polar Bear above - the "D" looks to be smudged in a way that suggests a "B".



Still, very very cool - great eyes, Marc!

[Wite3]

I will have to check later in the week but considering I have several Millers, it might be interesting. Good find! I thought I knew everything T205 too!

Joshua

[marcdelpercio]

Thanks Mike and Joshua,
I have noticed a few that have the smudged look. I have one of those myself. It looks like the printing plate was dinged or something. Some are very clearly "D" and some are very clearly "B" but there is almost a third "smudged" variation.

[Mrc32]

My Miller is a Hassan back and it reads John D. Miller

[Matt]

Originally Posted by marcdelpercio

Thanks Mike and Joshua,
I have noticed a few that have the smudged look. I have one of those myself. It looks like the printing plate was dinged or something. Some are very clearly "D" and some are very clearly "B" but there is almost a third "smudged" variation.

Marc - I would posit indeed a 3rd variation. Conjecture: At some point in the run, they realized they were printing a D when it should have been a B (for Barney) and tried a "quick fix" of scratching the D in the plate to turn it into a B. It was replaced by a true B in a later run.

[marcdelpercio]

Thanks Ron and Matt,
I have tracked less of the "B" variation overall as I have only found them thus far with Piedmont 25 and Polar Bear backs. Within the Piedmonts, I have seen more "B" than "D" and within Polar Bear, I have seen them both in almost equal numbers. I am curious to hear what versions people have and if there are other "B" backs besides Piedmont or Polar Bear.

P.S. Congrats Ron on picking up some of those T207's tonight. I'm sure you outbid me on a few.