Who are the 10 most important collectors in hobby history

oldjudge · #1 09-08-2010, 12:37 PM

Tony-Pick up a copy of the Old Judge book. I think you'll find that most of your Old Judge questions will be answered in there.

#2 09-08-2010, 03:27 PM

Whilst we were the individual who began this post, our intent was not to force those collectors who collect "under the radar" to reveal what they have. Everyone of the 30 individuals who we named appears in a table top book- ie. The Smithsonian Guide, Ken Burns book, National Pastime, and/or others or in long forgotten hobby publications.

From time to time we mention an item that we have acquired. We have shared less than 2% of the really rare and unique items in our collection. Whilst we comment frequently, everyone has a right to manage his/her own time and one's collection. A collector or a collection is no less important in stature if the only one who ever sees it is the collector himself.

We agree with Corey, that the collection gives extraordinary pleasure, and we much its company than that of the vast majority of talking heads who
paths have crossed ours.

As a final point, we are in regular correspondence with at least five collectors, only one of whom was mentioned among the 30 names we posted,
who possess $3M+ collections of extraordinary and super rare baseball cards.

In fact, we had a big laugh when a recent major auction noted that a certain item was the only one known, and another collector and ourself had a better example.

It was never our intent to ask anyone to share what he/she does not want to share. One of the joys of great financial success is that you can buy privacy. And we can not think of any thing as valuable as the right to come and go as one pleases, and the shut the world out whenever one wants to.

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Rob D. · #3 09-08-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

In fact, we had a big laugh when a recent major auction noted that a certain item was the only one known, and another collector and ourself had a better example.

Even as one who doesn't have a collection of extraordinary and super rare baseball cards, at least once or maybe twice a year I'll read an auction house's description of an item (usually a piece of memorabilia) that's "the only one known," and there will be an example in my collection. Granted, the auction houses cover themselves by using the word known, but that phrase still gets thrown around more than it should.

yomass · #4 09-08-2010, 05:07 PM

As an example, I asked a question about Old Judges awhile back and got no responses. I think they were reasonable questions but as I have heard, the big collectors don't like to impart info or even show their rarities. Why is that? Seems a tad childish doesn't it? Take it for what it's worth, just my opinion.

Seems there was this book published not long ago....

Jim VB · #5 09-08-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by yomass

As an example, I asked a question about Old Judges awhile back and got no responses. I think they were reasonable questions but as I have heard, the big collectors don't like to impart info or even show their rarities.

I don't think that's at all true. Can you show the post where you asked an Old Judge question and it went unanswered?

GoSoxBoSox · #6 09-09-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

And we can not think of any thing as valuable as the right to come and go as one pleases, and the shut the world out whenever one wants to.

One can only hope you make this choice to go and shut the world out soon.

Sorry guys. That was too easy to pass-up.

Tabe · #7 09-10-2010, 12:18 PM

First of all, I must say I find this thread fascinating. While I have been collected cards off and on for over 30 years, and tried to read publications on the topic, I am still unfamiliar with a large number of the names in this thread. So I appreciate the history lesson I'm getting in exchange for my time reading this thread.

I must say that I find the personal attacks disappointing and distracting from the topic. FWIW, I do find Bruce's plural references to himself as more than a little odd but to each his own

Also, I'm seeing multiple references to a book on the Old Judge set. Can someone link me to that book? I did an Amazon search but came up empty - just a link to the Barry Halper collection book, the one on the fake Honus Wagner, and a bunch of auction books.

Kind regards,

Tabe

aaroncc · #8 09-10-2010, 12:34 PM

I saw this one currently listed on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Photographic-Bas...item4cf190d1b2

Tabe · #9 09-10-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aaroncc

I saw this one currently listed on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Photographic-Bas...item4cf190d1b2

Thank you for that. The book looks fantastic!

Tabe

iggyman · #10 09-10-2010, 12:37 PM

Tabe,

Net54 wouldn't be Net54 without the personal attacks. It's in the DNA! Plus, Bruce has brought some of that on himself. But to his credit he has mellowed-out a bit through the years and everybody says he is a nice guy in person..........I always look forward to his post(s).

Here are a few old threads referencing the Old Judge book and how to order one. Happy browsing.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...Richard+Masson

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...Richard+Masson

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...Richard+Masson

Lovely Day...

barrysloate · #11 09-10-2010, 01:24 PM

Bruce is a nice guy. He just gets a little nutty behind the computer. But lately he has been a model citizen.

iggyman · #12 09-10-2010, 06:22 PM

I'm definitely taking a mulligan on this hole.

Tabe,

Net54 wouldn't be Net54 without the personal attacks. It's in the DNA! Plus, Bruce has brought some of that on himself. ~~But to his credit he has mellowed-out a bit through the years and everybody says he is a nice guy in person..........I always look forward to his post(s).~~ His post sometimes are more offensive then a dead deer thread (not that there is anything wrong with a dead deer thread).

Here are a few old threads referencing the Old Judge book and how to order one. Happy browsing.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...Richard+Masson

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...Richard+Masson

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...Richard+Masson

Lovely Day...

Jim VB · #13 09-10-2010, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tabe

First of all, I must say I find this thread fascinating. While I have been collected cards off and on for over 30 years, and tried to read publications on the topic, I am still unfamiliar with a large number of the names in this thread. So I appreciate the history lesson I'm getting in exchange for my time reading this thread.

I must say that I find the personal attacks disappointing and distracting from the topic. FWIW, I do find Bruce's plural references to himself as more than a little odd but to each his own

Also, I'm seeing multiple references to a book on the Old Judge set. Can someone link me to that book? I did an Amazon search but came up empty - just a link to the Barry Halper collection book, the one on the fake Honus Wagner, and a bunch of auction books.

Kind regards,

Tabe

Tabe,

Welcome to the board.

I suggest you not be so quick at siding with Bruce and against his "attackers." Bruce's use of first person plural is the least of his personality oddities. Hang around and you'll see. (Although, as Barry said, he's been on his best behavior lately. I haven't received an email wishing me death, in weeks!)

Buy the OJ book. It is the most comprehensive coverage of a single card set I have ever seen.

#14 09-10-2010, 02:48 PM

We would like to see a copy on a 2010 e-mail that specifically threatened us to arrange to kill you- at a specific time and venue

You enjoy attacking because you are far more proficient at bathroom humor
than you are at collecting or researching baseball memorabilia.

Perhaps, you could make better use of your time--like flipping burgers or tacos- minimum wage sounds appropriate for your skills and intelligence

As we have said for several years. each time you fire an arrow we will return the favor with a missile.

Jim VB · #15 09-10-2010, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

We would like to see a copy on a 2010 e-mail that specifically threatened us to arrange to kill you- at a specific time and venue

You enjoy attacking because you are far more proficient at bathroom humor
than you are at collecting or researching baseball memorabilia.

Perhaps, you could make better use of your time--like flipping burgers or tacos- minimum wage sounds appropriate for your skills and intelligence

As we have said for several years. each time you fire an arrow we will return the favor with a missile.

1. It was 2009, not 2010. I said you'd been good lately. But I have a long memory on such things.

2. I didn't say it was a death threat. I said it was a death wish. Wishing someone dead is far nicer than threatening them with death. Plus, it's not actionable.

3. I didn't "fire" anything at you, arrow or missile. I didn't attack you. I really try to avoid you. Although I clearly don't like the entire persona you try to create, I find you more pathetic than anything else.

Tabe · #16 09-10-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim VB

Tabe,

Welcome to the board.

Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim VB

I suggest you not be so quick at siding with Bruce and against his "attackers."

You're mistaken if you thought I was taking Bruce's side. My comment was a general one.

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Originally Posted by Jim VB

Buy the OJ book. It is the most comprehensive coverage of a single card set I have ever seen.

It's on the list. Definitely need to pick it up - and I'm not even a fan of the sets

Now if only somebody would do something similar for T-3...

Tabe

Jim VB · #17 09-10-2010, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tabe

Now if only somebody would do something similar for T-3...

Tabe

The problem with doing it with T3 is that, as beautiful a set as it is, it does not have the wide range of variations that OJ's do.

The book released this year on T206 was a perfect example. It was OK, but didn't really tell you anything else you didn't know. In the OJ book, seemingly every page has you saying, "I've never seen that pose before!"

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