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Old 11-04-2010, 03:06 PM
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Any time I hear "forensics" and "scientific examination" I think of two things; 1) a scam and 2) the two black guys from Cincinnati and their fake T206 Wagner.

Why does it take "forensics" and "scientific examination" to authenticate a REAL T206 Wagner? It seems to me all you have to do is either get a REAL T206 common card and compare it to the Wagner OR send the Wagner off to a REAL third party grading service.

Authenticating a REAL Wagner shouldn't be rocket science.

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Old 11-04-2010, 03:24 PM
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I send all of my cards to a local forensics lab.
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:31 PM
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Interesting enough. Is there any news of the card online? I couldn't find any. Link please.
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"Proof card" meaning blank back or print lines?

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Old 11-04-2010, 05:02 PM
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Oy, forensics, really? How about sending it to SGC, Beckett or PSA? I am pretty sure they all 3 get "Wagners" right, as least concerning authentication , just about every time.

Maybe it's these guys again?
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Leon, those guys have invested real money into their fake so it has to be worth something, right?
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Any time I hear "forensics" and "scientific examination" I think of two things; 1) a scam and 2) the two black guys from Cincinnati and their fake T206 Wagner.David
If they were white guys, would you have said two white guys? Just wondering.
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If they were white guys, would you have said two white guys? Just wondering.
Since white's are still a majority in this country, he probably gave racial characteristics as a way of identifying. I doubt there was some nefarious reason for the inclusion of the skin color.
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Since white's are still a majority in this country, he probably gave racial characteristics as a way of identifying. I doubt there was some nefarious reason for the inclusion of the skin color.
Not saying there was. I just find it interesting that we do this. It reminds me of the famous exchange between McCarver and Gibson:

McCarver: there's a colored guy waiting to see you.
Gibson: Oh really, what color is he?

Something to think about.
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Carl the Exterminator: Jerry Seinfeld...oh yeah, he's that funny white guy.

George: White? I guess so...I don't really look at people in terms of color.
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If they were white guys, would you have said two white guys? Just wondering.
No, he'd say "two honkys."

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Probably better than what this guy would've said...
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So much for an effort to make a serious observation.
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Welcome to my world, Peter. Welcome to my world.
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Did Cobb and Edwards ever end up selling that Wagner?
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So much for an effort to make a serious observation.
It was a stupid observation.
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William Peterson deserves some board time too--heck, with the way CSI is going, who needs PSA and SGC???

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i doubt it they would be called 2 hobbyist or collectors

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A "local forensics guy" isn't the place to go. This needs to go to PSA or SGC to confirm authenticity, then his auction will likely be a success, assuming the card is legit.
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The Wagner with the tack hole and touched up caption has been around for a few years. Ive had scans of it for at least 6 years.

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I don't think that image is the one that they are claiming to have found. That one (the same one that is shown in the article) has a photo credit given to the HOF.

Would still love to see what their card looks like. I wonder what the chances are that it was already rejected by PSA or SGC... thereby necessitating the need to try the forensics route.
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