Hopefully he'll be forced to sell his collection

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

Bruce- "WE" all think that these boards are the wrong place for your nonsense. Why not post over at the Rush Limbaugh forums?

Does anyone know What Rush collects?

[Leon]

Well, I was out yesterday when this thread started. I am going to go against the grain here. I think Bruce was within his rights to post the thread and comments he posted. While I don't want to get political, or have the board get political, Keith O is a great collector, regardless of his political views and this is certainly newsworthy stuff in my opinion. I will probably get lambasted for my thoughts on this subject but that is ok. Folks will know how I feel. I feel that as long as it has to do with vintage cards then it can be talked about on the board. I probably wouldn't have even moved this thread but since another moderator did, then so be it. I won't reverse that decision by a colleague.

How freaking stale of a place would this be if the mods were censoring stuff all of the time. How can you know if you disagree with someone, or think they are an idiot , if we don't let them express themselves? "Disagreement" makes the world go around, and there will be a lot of it in this thread, no doubt. If someone thinks this board sucks because this thread is let go, well, that is their right to say that too. In a thread like this I doubt the participants can stay private if they make strong statements, but other than that, I see no big problem with it. As far as Keith making contributions to a political candidate that is between him and his company that he is contracted to work for. I have always had good dealings with him and consider him another fine collector. I have different political views than many of my good friends on the board but that doesn't mean we aren't friends. Friends can disagree with each other and still be civil. I hope that is the way the thread goes. Those are my thoughts as of now but I reserve the right to hear arguments and change my mind if I am persuaded to. best regards

BTW, I do disagree with Bruce's thoughts, I just prefer to let him express them.

[Jim VB]

What kind of a weak-ass, "I disagree" post is that? Your entire post is missing all the spit, all the fire, all the venom!

You need to take a serious lesson from Bruce. You didn't issue one death wish, one financial collapse wish, or even a wish for failing health!


Against the grain... my ass.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

What kind of a weak-ass, "I disagree" post is that? Your entire post is missing all the spit, all the fire, all the venom!

You need to take a serious lesson from Bruce. You didn't issue one death wish, one financial collapse wish, or even a wish for failing health!


Against the grain... my ass.

I know...I need to be more of an a-hole. I am working on it though!!

[barrysloate]

I might be more tolerant of Bruce's right wing views if he could at least spell Kalamazoo Bats correctly. I mean, if you own one, you have to spell it right.

[rholmes]

Bruce's post had nothing to do with vintage cards, and any defense of him is flat-out weak. He is basically the playground bully that no-one has the guts to get rid of. I don't know for sure, but I think it possible that KO is a member of this board...non-participating, but at least signed up. So wouldn't Bruce's original post be considered an unprovoked attack on another board member? And even if KO isn't a member, the post was merely an excuse to spew the same crap he is always spewing. Doesn't take a genius (or maybe is does) to see it.

Really. Weak.

Ray Holmes

[calvindog]

Barry, glad to see you've clilmbed out from under your bed! See, the world is still standing after Tuesday! And just think -- all that money I'm saving from the fact that my taxes won't be going up now I'm going to spend on cards. And maybe a third car. God is good.

I don't agree with many of the things that Keith says but I respect the guy. He's a strong force for his views and I think he was treated ridiculously by MSNBC. For that place to suspend him is just a joke. Since when has Keith ever pretended to be unbiased? Since when has MSNBC ever pretended to be unbiased? Suspending him was just a pretext for something else, no doubt.

And how can anyone dislike the guy considering his love for vintage cards and for all that he has done for the hobby? He's never ripped anyone off and he's passionate about the hobby that we love pretty much the most in the world. I hope he kicks MSNBC's ass and gets a bigger contract someplace else (CNN?). And I have no doubt he will because as anyone who follows his career knows, the dude lands on his feet.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rholmes

Bruce's post had nothing to do with vintage cards, and any defense of him is flat-out weak. He is basically the playground bully that no-one has the guts to get rid of. I don't know for sure, but I think it possible that KO is a member of this board...non-participating, but at least signed up. So wouldn't Bruce's original post be considered an unprovoked attack on another board member? And even if KO isn't a member, the post was merely an excuse to spew the same crap he is always spewing. Doesn't take a genius (or maybe is does) to see it.

Really. Weak.

Ray Holmes

That is your opinion Ray. And I absolutely, completely disagree with it, but I will defend your right to say it. It's not about "standing up" to Bruce. He's been suspended before when it was warranted. It's about letting folks say what they want to. Like I say, you can have your opinion too, even though I think it's idiotic and retarded. KO is a member of the board. I didn't see a personal attack on him...maybe you did? I guess you are a self proclaimed genius? It's great to know another one besides myself .

[Section103]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Does anyone know What Rush collects?

Vicodin.

(sorry - low hanging fruit and this thread has already ...uhhh... been tarnished)

[Leon]

I am soliciting private opinions on this situation since I seem to be in a very minor subset on my thoughts on this subject. I have emailed a few of my member/friends privately, already, to get their feedback but am interested in anyone that wants to let me know your feelings on banishment or suspension, pertaining to Bruce starting this thread. I still don't see the severity rising to that level but I have been wrong before. Please email to leonl@flash.net if you would like to give your opinion. I just think this will be a more stale place if we start censoring very much....but what do I know? If we don't let folks hang themselves how will we know what they think?

Thanks to anyone that wants to give your opinion to me...I appreciate the help and insight. best regards

[benchod]

I say let it ride Leon,
I have to hand it to Bruce; I almost never read this section of the board but this post got me over here.
Good. bad, or ugly Bruce starts entertaining threads.
Personally I thought his post was ironically hilarious on so many levels.
I'm pretty sure Keith would never need to squeeze two nickels out of Bruce. Bruce would also probably be the first one to wet himself if he ever got the chance to see Keith's collection.

BTW I'm also sure Keith probably receives a lot worse, hateful comments than what Bruce said.

[Rob D.]

Knowing that the groundlings are being solicited to help decide his fate might be punishment enough for Bruce.

[barrysloate]

I'm not going to say publicly whether or not Bruce should be suspended; that's not my call. But I will say that Bruce's sole purpose for linking the news story about Keith was to mock his liberal politics, and to make a political comment of some sort. Although Keith is a major collector and has posted on this board, the only hobby connection Bruce made was he hoped this would cause Keith financial hardship, and in some convoluted thought process, Bruce hoped to be able to buy his collection on the cheap (which of course he wouldn't, since many others would offer far more than he would).

Suspension is up to the moderators, not me. But the thread was not cool.

[19cbb]

How about a poll?
That should be fun.

[Jim VB]

My distaste for Bruce is well known. I abhor the intent of this thread. As Barry stated, the only purpose was to make some claim that this proves that conservative politics trumps liberal thought and wish financial failure on a fellow collector.

This post has no place on a hobby board.

However, in no way should Bruce be suspended or banned for this action. As reprehensible as the original premise was, it doesn't come close to reaching that level. It may show us the workings of a narrow minded, hateful individual, but the world has plenty of those kind.

He's said/done far worse in the past. My expectations of Bruce are so low, I'm sure we will see far worse going forward. But we shouldn't ban him for being a moron (apologies to all other morons for lumping him in.)