Oh good, somebody altered my N172 (w/before and after photos)

[Anthony S.]

Hey Rhett,

That may well prove to be the case, but the more I've looked at it under magnification, the more I've come to believe that the paper has been transplanted. I agree that the closeup photo doesn't convey that. I just ordered a jewelers loupe and will know better in a few days.

[Bosox Blair]

Black light might be interesting too. Thanks for posting this - fascinating! (Nice detective work using the VCP too.)

Cheers,
Blair

[botn]

According to VCP the ebay seller is foodledotnet. That ID must have undergone an id change as there is no listing for it on ebay. However someone who signed in as Eric on the old board identified himself as foodledotnet on the 5/7/08 post on this thread http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=89599.

And a more recent post on another board links someone by the name of cozmokramer to that ebay id http://www.sportscardfreaks.com/foru...ards-sale.html. If this is the same cozmokramer who posts here maybe he can tell us who he sold the card to.

[Anthony S.]

Originally Posted by botn

According to VCP the ebay seller is foodledotnet. That ID must have undergone an id change as there is no listing for it on ebay. However someone who signed in as Eric on the old board identified himself as foodledotnet on the 5/7/08 post on this thread http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=89599.

And a more recent post on another board links someone by the name of cozmokramer to that ebay id http://www.sportscardfreaks.com/foru...ards-sale.html. If this is the same cozmokramer who posts here maybe he can tell us who he sold the card to.

I want to make this very clear. Foodledotnet, ie Cozmokramer, did nothing wrong here. He sold the original unaltered card. I want to make that very clear. The alterations happened after he sold it. I know you're saying that, Greg, but I just want to clarify, because your first sentence sort of implies otherwise.

[chaddurbin]

maybe eric can tell us if it was paperloss (or paper stuck to it) on the card or he knows why it was in an authentic holder...that should clear alot of stuff up. i'm prolly giving too much benefit here but that seems like alot of work to get a low value card from an A to a 10 holder (if more than swab of cotton and water is involved)...

p.s. also well-played A. bringing more attention to the card you're about to sell

[birdman42]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

that seems like alot of work to get a low value card from an A to a 10 holder (if more than swab of cotton and water is involved)...

Unless it's a "practice" card. Not much downside from the original if something went horribly wrong.

Feeling a little cynical this morning,

Bill

[Abravefan11]

Anthony I found a scan of the card prior to being slabbed and paired it with yours. Hope this helps with your comparison.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Anthony I found a scan of the card prior to being slabbed and paired it with yours. Hope this helps with your comparison.

Ok...we took a card that was $100 and made into a $125 card...Now we got something going. For the record, I would pay a few bucks more for the altered one, an an AUT holder, than the original unaltered one in a 1 holder. No need for me to comment on who did what and when. I have no idea.

I still feel the the percentage of cards messed with goes up with the numerical grade AND have always believed some (much) smaller percentage of lesser grade cards have been missed with too. Again, just my little ole opinion. regards

[Anthony S.]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Anthony I found a scan of the card prior to being slabbed and paired it with yours. Hope this helps with your comparison.

Good job, Tim. Yes, the left area may well prove to be something that was simply stuck to the card and subsequently removed, as Rhett first suggested.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

I want to make this very clear. Foodledotnet, ie Cozmokramer, did nothing wrong here. He sold the original unaltered card. I want to make that very clear. The alterations happened after he sold it. I know you're saying that, Greg, but I just want to clarify, because your first sentence sort of implies otherwise.

What the...? You serious? There was nothing in my post that was implying anything, Anthony.

[Anthony S.]

Greg, your first sentence states "the ebay seller is foodlenet." I just wanted to make sure people understood that you were referring to the seller of the original unaltered card in the PSA holder. You make that clear in your 2nd paragraph. That's all I meant.