Frank Chance - HOF Material?

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Ohio_Collectibles

I always considered Frank Chance a major Hall-of-Famer. But after looking up the numbers, now I am not so sure.

how did you come to the conclusion that chance was a major hof'er?

[Ohio_Collectibles]

Honestly, I don't know. I guess it was always an assumption on my part because of the Name Recognition. I've just started getting into looking at HOFers Stats because some of my favorite modern players are being blacklisted from the HOF.

[Exhibitman]

Chance's four pennants and two WS wins as a player manager is a HOFer stat on his own merits. Same as Whitey Herzog (4 and 2) and Billy Southworth (4 and 2), better than Earl Weaver (4 and 1).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Earl Weaver??

[bmarlowe1]

You have to consider that the Cubs' 1903-1912 W-L percentage is unmatched for any team ever over a similar span of years (I think I have that right - I'll have to check tonight). There must be a reason for that. If those teams, as is sometimes argued, had only one legitimate HoF'er (M. Brown), then how do you explain their remarkable success?

If there aren't any more players on that team that are up to HoF standards, then perhaps the standards aren't right. Or maybe other members of that team should be in (Kling, Reulbach?)

[Mark]

He was a peerless leader.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Mark

He was a peerless leader.

The Peerless Leader

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

You have to consider that the Cubs' 1903-1912 W-L percentage is unmatched for any team ever over a similar span of years (I think I have that right - I'll have to check tonight). There must be a reason for that. If those teams, as is sometimes argued, had only one legitimate HoF'er (M. Brown), then how do you explain their remarkable success?

If there aren't any more players on that team that are up to HoF standards, then perhaps the standards aren't right. Or maybe other members of that team should be in (Kling, Reulbach?)

In addition to Brown, they got a few great years each out of a few pitchers, such as Reulbach, Pfister, Overall, and Cole. Collectively that was enough to do the trick. Reulbach certainly would have been a HOF candidate had he put a few more comparable years together but he faded very young.