Need help identifying premiums 11" X 14" multi-sport....... *Pics added

[fkw]

Thanks for the links, I'll see if they match. Im going to go over and see them within a couple days and take pics etc.



PS. This collector who owns these is not a novice, he has collected for 60 years, been to hundreds of shows including larger National Shows and has never seen cards like these. He was also personal friends with Frank Nagy of Michigan where he is from, and he did not know what they were.

Hes shown them to some dealers in the past with no help, Levi Bleam, Fritsch Family, Steve Verkman, etc.

So im sure they are rather scarce to not be IDed yet.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by fkw

Thanks for the links, I'll see if they match. Im going to go over and see them within a couple days and take pics etc.



PS. This collector who owns these is not a novice, he has collected for 60 years, been to hundreds of shows including larger National Shows and has never seen cards like these. He was also personal friends with Frank Nagy of Michigan where he is from, and he did not know what they were.

Hes shown them to some dealers in the past with no help, Levi Bleam, Fritsch Family, Steve Verkman, etc.

So im sure they are rather scarce to not be IDed yet.

I am biased but I think there is more collective knowledge on this board than anywhere else in the world, for pre-war baseball cards and premiums. No, we won't have all of the answers, but an answer is more likely here than anywhere....

[scgaynor]

Without actually seeing them I am going with some sort of decorative classroom posters. When I was in school we had a bunch of similar posters in one of my classrooms, there was Jackie Robinson and others (even though this was in the early 1980's). That could be why they were at one time in a school library. The SP could be who made them (scholastic something or another). Just a guess........

Scott

[fkw]

More info...

I got a chance to see these in person.

They are on heavy stock and are NOT flimsy at all, if you were to bend one slightly they would crease.
The backs are a textured bluish-gray color and many of them are discolored to a greenish yellow color from age around edges and you can tell they sat still somewhere for a long time in a stack.
No pinholes. Not all of them are stamped on back.

The newest pics I could ID are a Jackie Robinson sliding, and a Satchel Paige (sitting on ground against a fence in Cleveland Uniform), Pete Gray, a 1950 Era T.Williams, and some football/Olympics/Globetrotters that look to be ca1950.

No Babe Ruth, Joe Jackson, Mantle, Mays, etc. I suspect the Ruth was printed but is just one of the 30 missing from the 100 card set.

The earliest pic are a couple Pugilists from the 1880-90s, a 1895 Football team pic, a billiards player, and a very early Lajoie pic, then would be 2 1905 Era NY Giants pics, Mathewson, and Mathewson/McGraw/McGinnity.

4-5 woman golfers, 4-5 men golfers, a couple jockeys/horses, 3-4 race cars, 2 basketball (James Naismith and a early Globetrotters), 6-7 football, most were baseball... including 1919 Black Sox, Landis, etc.

I ran out of memory on my camera after 1/2 the stack so didnt get pics of the later cards, yet. The higher the numbers the more modern the pics. span was 1880s to ca.1950

a few examples of the non-baseball ones below
(if you can ID the football player, golfer, portrait, etc. that would help.)


Dempsey vs. Carpentier,Jersey City, July 2nd,1921
(thanks Clayton )


Bobby Jones


Thorpe


??


4 horsemen

[teetwoohsix]

Hey Frank- in the thread "Your Best Pickup of 2010" someone posted a picture of a 1930's Rogers Peet card of golfer Bobby Jones..........looks just like the golfer in your pics........check it out. Nice stuff by the way.

Sincerely,Clayton

[Peter_Spaeth]

SP - Scholastic Press?

[fkw]

I was thinking that too and searched Scholastic Press a couple days ago before I saw these in person and didnt find anything exactly. Scott brought it up that he remember seeing similar sounding pictures in school, so when I went I was thinking they might be the same age as the date stamped (1983), but after seeing them I think they are older, nothing at all after 1950s, some football ones and maybe an Olympic ones "looked" 1950s, but I couldnt ID the subject exactly, some action shots, etc.

Every single subject I saw is Sports related, so the SP might be that too ?

PS my internet is super slow so pics taking long time

[teetwoohsix]

The boxing scene is Dempsey vs. Carpentier,Jersey City, July 2nd,1921.

[fkw]

The most interesting 2 baseball ones to me were the Satchel Paige, the pose is awesome, but I couldnt take a pic of it yet (ran out of memory), and also the Pete Gray one i thought was nice because if these are from the 1950s, it would be really the only period card of him (need to take a pic next time).
Others I can remember offhand that I ddint get pics of are DiMaggio, Musial, Feller, unidentified Lefty #32, Williams,

random Baseball related (more to come)


1919 Black Sox


Foxx


Ott


Wagner


Gehrig


Feller, Young?


Lefty Grove

(thanks Brad )

[fkw]

More Baseball


Landis


Speaker ?


Mathewson McGraw McGinnity


Mathewson


Jerome and Paul Dean


Bender


Hubbell


Lajoie

[fkw]

Ya Brad, some have the SP before the number, some after, I dont know what the ratio is though.
Im going to get a more detailed list later.


Im not good at football ID

who?


Johnny "Blood" McNally
(thanks Mike )


??


??

[Jason Carota]

Originally Posted by fkw

??

Hugh Duffy?



(Image courtesy of boston.sportsthenandnow.com)

[Mikehealer]

Frank,
The first picture in post #15 I think is Johnny "Blood" McNally. I am going on memory from a book I had as a kid and I haven't seen that book in over 30 years, so I could be wrong.

Found a scan on google images(same pose)

[Clutch-Hitter]

Great cards!

That Speaker card........that's the guy batting in the "Red Sox Warming Up..." postcard.