OT Mr. Olbermann's Good Night

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree with this statement completely. It's a shame too,but is quite anticipated, given the breadth of the board members.

I have to agree completely too. I often stand opposite KO's views, as do many others...The thing though, is he knows it, and it doesn't need to be said here. He doesn't need to know what each and every individual feels, for or against, and neither do I, or anyone else here. He knows that with every word he says, some will love it, and some will hate it. That's his job.

Now to get on with my point. We are all here because of shared joy in collecting. Some of us will become friends, some aquaintances, others just people that we'll make a deal with from time to time. Is it ok for us to talk politics amongst each other? Sure! But not on this board. Maybe in chat, maybe over the phone, or in another forum, but this is a place for us all to get together and escape from politics and other such things. Basically, a little slice of our life devoted to one passion. Collecting, and broadening our knowledge of the hobby..

That being said, if KO were to come on here, would he be bombarded with a bunch of political crap? You bet. It's not right, because he'd be coming here for the same reason as the rest of us. For that, we should embrace him as one of us, because deep down, beyond the politics and money, that's what he is.

[steve B]

To me it's a bit sad that someone who has a good degree of knowledge and love of their hobby would feel that they had to hold back from sharing that. Either because of the nuisance of politics, or a desire not to be a distraction.

It's more sad that there are people who would feel the need to put them in that sort of situation.

It's an unfortunate price of success and celebrity I suppose, but it's still a bit sad

Steve B

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by steve B

To me it's a bit sad that someone who has a good degree of knowledge and love of their hobby would feel that they had to hold back from sharing that.

Steve B

Keith shares more than almost anyone else I know. He just doesn't share it here. He has written numerous articles, for many hobby publications, some going back almost 40 years. Sharing, in a forum that would bring up negativity from other issues would be foolish, on his part. He writes a blog that is mostly about baseball but occasionally talks about cards.

And, just to be clear, it's not just Keith. Kit Young came on here (the old board) and we had a long thread about a deal gone bad from 20 years prior. I don't think he ever came back. Why would he?

Periodically, someone attacks one particular board member because he "associates with criminals!!!" The fact that he is a criminal defense attorney is lost in the attack. What he does for a living is a vital part of our society. Without his profession, our system of law and government would fall apart. Is he zealous at it? Yep. That's what makes him good at it. But he's here because he likes cards, not because of his criminal associates.

Guys like elmalo should be shown the door after their first post. If you bother to register and then spend your first post calling someone a "miserable human being," for any issue unrelated to cards, you should expect be booted.

[Leon]

Hey Jim
Even the old rules, still posted, have this:

"Also, to be absolutely clear, this is not a complaint board about grading, graders or grudges. If your first post on the forum is negative, it will likely be deleted. Trolls are not tolerated and they will be banned."

Instead of deleting, suspending or banning, I feel an appropriate response will be an infraction, and one will be given. As a first post maybe he didn't understand....now he will and as long as he remains cooperative, with some positive posts, then I don't think it's a huge deal. The new rules will go up in the next day or three, once I see if there are any glaring holes I missed (I don't think there are). I also don't want this board to be known for censoring or deleting things. I even got censored on the FreedomCardBoard board recently, for giving my opinion in the wrong place . Live and learn....

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Guys like elmalo should be shown the door after their first post. If you bother to register and then spend your first post calling someone a "miserable human being," for any issue unrelated to cards, you should expect be booted.

I agree completely.

Doug

[Cat]

In the opposite, if elmalo would have used his first post to say that KO came off as a well-mannered, even-handed, fair and balanced, congenial and delightful host on MSNBC, I would have suggested a urine test.

[Vol]

Originally Posted by Cat

In the opposite, if elmalo would have used his first post to say that KO came off as a well-mannered, even-handed, fair and balanced, congenial and delightful host on MSNBC, I would have suggested a urine test.

lol.

[kcohen]

Maybe Leon can get KO to host a NET54 dinner at the next National. If he does, I'll promise to keep my pie hole shut.

[Cat]

Originally Posted by kcohen

Maybe Leon can get KO to host a NET54 dinner at the next National. If he does, I'll promise to keep my pie hole shut.

Any reason to post Matt Foley is a good reason to post Matt Foley.

[Tim Kindler]

Trying to stick just to cards here. Look Keith's, any other person's on the board, and even my own political views are really no one else's business on this board. It is just that Keith's views are known to the world because that was/is his job and they are out there for the world to see/hear. But that's why I love jumping on here each day to get away from the garbage in our real world and just enjoy vintage baseball cards. Oh, don't get me wrong, in the real world I like to duke it out on political and religious matters all the time, especially with others who might share Keith's views, but here I love to talk, hear, and see things that pertain only to baseball! I'd love to see Keith's collection on the board. I heard it is spectacular and he is very knowledgable about our hobby's history. I remember years back seeing a bunch of T206 Proofs with no lettering at the bottom and only the little crosses on the borders in an auction. I believe that Keith purchased them. I would welcome him, just as I ask to be welcomed myself, on this board and that is to talk about vintage baseball cards.
Happy Collecting everybody,
Tim

[ElCabron]

Enjoy:

[steve B]

I agree Jim. I didn't word my earlier post well at all.

What I should have included is that while articles and blog posts are great, there's a level of detail that can be conveyed and a greater chance at getting some finer point clarified on a forum like this.

Yes, the personal attacks drive some people away, and that was my main point. That the attacks affect us all when someone like Keith Olberman or Kit Young avoid the forum because of them.
Except in extreme circumstances I think a bit less of people who would bring that sort of personal attack into a discussion, even a heated one. It's one thing to question someones hobby knowledge, but to bring unrelated outside stuff into it just seems wrong.

Steve B

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Keith shares more than almost anyone else I know. He just doesn't share it here. He has written numerous articles, for many hobby publications, some going back almost 40 years. Sharing, in a forum that would bring up negativity from other issues would be foolish, on his part. He writes a blog that is mostly about baseball but occasionally talks about cards.

And, just to be clear, it's not just Keith. Kit Young came on here (the old board) and we had a long thread about a deal gone bad from 20 years prior. I don't think he ever came back. Why would he?

Periodically, someone attacks one particular board member because he "associates with criminals!!!" The fact that he is a criminal defense attorney is lost in the attack. What he does for a living is a vital part of our society. Without his profession, our system of law and government would fall apart. Is he zealous at it? Yep. That's what makes him good at it. But he's here because he likes cards, not because of his criminal associates.

Guys like elmalo should be shown the door after their first post. If you bother to register and then spend your first post calling someone a "miserable human being," for any issue unrelated to cards, you should expect be booted.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by steve B

I agree Jim. I didn't word my earlier post well at all.

What I should have included is that while articles and blog posts are great, there's a level of detail that can be conveyed and a greater chance at getting some finer point clarified on a forum like this.

Yes, the personal attacks drive some people away, and that was my main point. That the attacks affect us all when someone like Keith Olberman or Kit Young avoid the forum because of them.
Except in extreme circumstances I think a bit less of people who would bring that sort of personal attack into a discussion, even a heated one. It's one thing to question someones hobby knowledge, but to bring unrelated outside stuff into it just seems wrong.

Steve B

It is a shame that we sometimes have personal attacks on the board. Thanks to Leon for keeping it to a minimum. All things considered, better known collectors might want to participate under a nom de plume.

[Jayjones82]

While I disagree (politely, of course) with probably all of Mr. Olbermann's political beliefs, I, too, would like to know if he's ever showcased part of his collection. I'd love to see some it...think of it as a Southern Conservative/New England Liberal unifier

[Rickyy]

As mentioned previously he has written some good articles about cards... I remember his piece in the old SCD about the T207 series and he did a several part report about Topps proof cards... I hope he can devote more time now to share more of his knowledge and enthusiam for the hobby...whether its here or in another place...