Appease me, please....one more time T206/T213/T215?

[White Borders]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Hustler is listed as a T206

Barry,

I also noticed Hustler in the ACC T206 list Leon posted , but I'm unfamiliar with it. Could you explain what it is, please?

Also in the list is the Ty Cobb back.

And Burdick counts 522 T206, whereas now we have 524. One of the additional two is the Joe Doyle. Is the other the Magie?

Thanks and Best Regards,
Craig

[barrysloate]

Craig,

Hustler is a tobacco brand that appears on certain non-baseball cigarette cards, but no T206 pose is known with that back.

[T206Collector]

In my view, Tim has offered the only persuasive rationale for non-inclusion. He has identified a printing rule for the coupons that is different from all other t206 issues. Whether that leads you away from t206 or not, it is at least a concrete rationale. Tim's argument would be determinative if all t206 print runs adhered to the same schedule. Or did they? Is the wide net cast by Burdick large enough to encompass the manner in which coupons were printed in 1910?

[White Borders]

Barry & Tim,

Thanks for the info regarding the Hustler back ... I just went back to rerun my search and realized I had transposed the "s" and the "t" the first time which is why I didn't get any hits

Thanks again and best regards,
Craig

[buymycards]

I was reading a webpage called Tobacco Timeline http://www.tobacco.org/resources/his...story20-1.html
and it shows that ATC was broken up in 1911, and some of the tobacco companies, including Coupon, were awarded to Ligget and Myers.

Could it be that the Type 1's were printed by ATC and should be included in the T206 set and the Type 2's and 3's were printed by L&M and should be a separate issue?

Just a thought.

Rick

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I was reading a webpage called Tobacco Timeline http://www.tobacco.org/resources/his...story20-1.html
and it shows that ATC was broken up in 1911, and some of the tobacco companies, including Coupon, were awarded to Ligget and Myers.

Could it be that the Type 1's were printed by ATC and should be included in the T206 set and the Type 2's and 3's were printed by L&M and should be a separate issue?

Just a thought.

Rick

Rick

All these cards were printed by American Litho. (New York City) and then shipped to the Tobacco factories.
The main L & M plant (Factory #42) in Durham, NC did not print these cards.

Otherwise everything you said is true.

Regards,

TED Z

[insidethewrapper]

As new data is received opinions and history can be changed. We all know now that Abner Doubleday had nothing to do with baseball but he is still considered (by some ?)to have invented the game. Wrong information takes a time to die. The same with Burdick, he was not always right ( especially with the year of release) on the T213-1.

Maybe the T213-1 should be listed as 1910 T206-2 Thin Paper Type ( Regional). Therefore it could be connected with the T206 set, but not be part of it.

[judsonhamlin]

Ted - That is my take:

Both T206 and T213-1 were printed by the same company for the same company at the same time, with the same obverse design and a substantially similar reverse design.
The stock didn't make any difference when theT216 were grouped together, so that doesn't seem dispositive here.

Judd

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Rick

All these cards were printed by American Litho. (New York City) and then shipped to the Tobacco factories.
The main L & M plant (Factory #42) in Durham, NC did not print these cards.

Otherwise everything you said is true.

Regards,

TED Z

I think what Rick was getting at, is that since the brand in question changed companies after the type-1's, and before the type-2's, it should be somewhat rational to treat them a two completely different issues, rather than "types" of the same designation. Basically, with this information, type-1's should not fall under the T213 blanket...Now, that they don't have a reliable designation, the question really is, should they fall into the t206's? or should they be assigned a new designation all-together?

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by White Borders

I also noticed Hustler in the ACC T206 list Leon posted , but I'm unfamiliar with it. Could you explain what it is, please?

Craig,

Here's a thread on the Hustler back with some nice scans.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=123604