FYI....RED CROSS (T215-1) checklist......UPDATED

[tedzan]

The RED CROSS (T215-1) set consists of 96 cards. It is comprised of T206 subjects from the 150/350 series, 350-only series, 350/460 series,
and 460-only series. These cards were most likely issued in 2 series....1st series of 48 (or 36) subjects in 1910....the 2nd series of 48 (or 60)
subjects in early 1912.

The T215 cards were printed in New York City (as most of that era's T-cards), shipped to the Lorillard plant (Factory #10) in Jersey City (NJ),
and inserted in the Red Cross tobacco products. A large find of Red Cross cards occurred some years back in the Louisiana area.


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This list of 96 cards is a work in progress. Some uncertainty exists with respect to the T215-1 cards. However, a 96-card "complete" set of
the T215-1's "cousins", the "PIRATE" Tobacco set, has been confirmed. By cross-referencing the RED CROSS set and the "PIRATE" set (with
several exceptions in team identifications), a close match exists between the fronts of these two White-Bordered, Brown-Captioned sets.

Ames (hands above head)
Baker
Ball
Bender (trees)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Byrne (St Louis)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Conroy (bat)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Davis (A's)
Devore
Donlin (bat)..(Pittsburg)................traded Feb 17, 1912
Doolan (bat)
Doolan (fielding)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Doyle (portrait)
Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ford
Fromme
Griffith (bat)..(Washington)............traded in Feb 1912
Groom
Hartsel (Toledo)..........................acquired by Toledo in Dec 1911
Herzog (New York, NL)..................traded July 22, 1911
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard
Huggins (portrait)..(St Louis NL)......traded Feb 1910
Huggins (hands/mouth)
Hummell
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Kelley
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Leifield (bat)
Lord
Magee (bat)
Marquard (portrait)
Marquard (pitching)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGinnity
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove)
Harry McIntyre (Chicago NL)
Matty McIntyre (Detroit)
McLean
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Miller
Mowrey (St Louis, NL)...................traded Aug 22, 1909
Mullin (bat)
Murray
Oakes
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Paskert
Pelty (vertical)
Purtell
Quinn
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard (glove)
Frank Smith (Cincinnati).................traded May 11, 1911
Speaker
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street
Sweeney (New York AL)
Tannehill (Chicago AL)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Warhop
Wheat
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Wilson
Wiltse (portrait)
Wiltse (pitching)
Cy Young (glove)..........................UNCERTAIN



I reiterate, this checklist is a work in progress; therefore, I would appreciate any updates to it. Especially, I'm looking for more team changes.....
that are different from the original T206 captions.

Also, posting your T215-1 cards here are surely appreciated.



TED Z

[tedzan]

Regarding RED CROSS....BROWN captioned cards......

Anyone here have (or have seen) a Cy Young (glove) T215-1 card ?


Thanks for checking this out,

TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Regarding RED CROSS....BROWN captioned cards......

Anyone here have (or have seen) a Cy Young (glove) T215-1 card ?


Thanks for checking this out,

TED Z

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=60782

[tedzan]

The RED CROSS (T215-1) set consists of 96 cards. It is comprised of T206 subjects from the 150/350 series, 350-only series, 350/460 series,
and 460-only series. These cards were most likely issued in 2 series....1st series of 48 (or 36) subjects in 1910....the 2nd series of 48 (or 60)
subjects in early 1912.

The T215 cards were printed in New York City (as most of that era's T-cards), shipped to the Lorillard plant (Factory #10) in Jersey City (NJ),
and inserted in the Red Cross tobacco products. A large find of Red Cross cards occurred some years back in the Louisiana area.


.


This list of 96 cards is a work in progress. Some uncertainty exists with respect to the T215-1 cards. However, a 96-card "complete" set of
the T215-1's "cousins", the "PIRATE" Tobacco set, has been confirmed. By cross-referencing the RED CROSS set and the "PIRATE" set (with
several exceptions in team identifications and a variation of some subjects), a close match exists between the fronts of these two White-
Bordered, Brown-Captioned sets.


TRADES....circa 1909 - Spring 1912 that are reflected on these T215-1 cards.

Bobby Byrne.................from St Louis NL to Pittsburg on Aug 19, 1909
Mike Donlin...................from Boston NL to Pittsburg on February 17, 1912
Clark Griffith.................signed a contract to manage Washington in Oct 1911
Topsy Hartsel................signed by Toledo (A A) in the Fall of 1911
Buck Herzog.................from Boston NL to New York NL on July 22, 1911
Miller Huggins (port)......from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910
Harry Lord...………………….from Boston AL to Chicago AL on August 11, 1910
Harry McIntyre..............from Brooklyn to Chicago NL on April 13, 1910
Matty McIntyre..............from Detroit to Chicago AL on Jan 12, 1911
Mike Mowrey.................from Cinci to St Louis NL on August 22, 1909
Rebel Oakes..................from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910
Frank Smith..................from Boston AL to Cinci on May 11, 1911
Harry Steinfeldt............1912 Spring training tryout with St Louis NL


Ames (hands above head)
Baker
Ball
Bender (trees)
Bender (no trees)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Byrne..............................Pittsburg
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Conroy (bat)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Davis ..............................Cleveland
Devore
Donlin (bat)......................Pittsburg
Doolan (fielding)

Dougherty (arm in air)
Doyle (portrait)
Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ford
Fromme
Griffith (bat).....................Washington
Hartsel.............................Toledo
Herzog.............................New York, NL
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard
Huggins (portrait)..............St Louis NL
Huggins (hands at mouth)....Cincinnati
Hummell
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)

Kelley
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Leifield (bat)
Lord
Magee (bat)
Marquard (portrait)
Marquard (pitching)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGinnity
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove)
Harry McIntyre..................Chicago NL
Matty McIntyre (Detroit)
McLean
Merkle (throwing)

Meyers
Miller
Mowrey............................St Louis, NL
Mullin (bat)
Murray
Oakes St Louis, NL
Oldring (sat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)....Detroit
Paskert
Pelty (vertical)
Purtell
Quinn
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard (glove)
Frank Smith......................Cincinnati
Speaker
Stahl (glove)

Steinfeldt (bat).................St. Louis, NL
Street (portrait)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (New York AL)
Tannehill (Chicago AL)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Warhop
Wheat
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Wilson
Wiltse (portrait)
Wiltse (pitching)
Cy Young (glove)


I reiterate, this checklist is a work in progress; therefore, I would appreciate any updates to it. Especially, I'm looking for more team changes.....
that are different from the original T206 captions.

Also, posting your T215-1 cards here are surely appreciated.


TED Z

[ValKehl]

Can anyone confirm the existence of a T215-1 of WaJo (pitching pose)? I realize that this card has long been included in the T215-1 checklists, but I have collected WaJo cards for a long time, and I have never seen one. And, there are none listed in the PSA & SGC pop reports.

[Sean]

Ted, I don't see Bresnahan batting on the list. Steve H. (brass rat) has one, though I don't have a scan of it.

[brass_rat]

Hey Sean,

The Bresnahan I have is a type 2, not type 1. (Busy week -- haven't had a chance to dig up that scan yet. )
I don't believe Bresnahan type 1 exists.

Cheers,
Steve

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Can anyone confirm the existence of a T215-1 of WaJo (pitching pose)? I realize that this card has long been included in the T215-1 checklists, but I have collected WaJo cards for a long time, and I have never seen one. And, there are none listed in the PSA & SGC pop reports.

Hi Val...... Here is the confirmed 97-card list [includes Bobby Byrne (St. Louis variation)] from the PIRATE set find (circa 2007).

These cards were most likely printed in two 48-card series (1910 & 1912) using the regular T215-1 pre-printed (fronts) sheets.

Therefore, this tells us that Walter Johnson (pitching) must exist as a RED CROSS (T215-1) card.


T215-1 PIRATE set find......

Ames (hands above head)
Baker
Ball
Bender
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Byrne (St Louis)..................Byrne (Pittsburg)
Camnitz
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase
Collins (A's)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Davis (A's)
Devore
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (fielding)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)

Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ford
Fromme
Griffith (bat)
Groom
Hartzel
Herzog...............................New York NL
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard
Huggins (portrait).................St Louis NL
Huggins (hands/mouth).........Cincinnati
Hummel
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)

Johnson (pitching)
Kelley
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause
Lajoie (bat)
Lake
Leifield (bat)
Lord
Magee (bat)
Marquard (portrait)
Marquard (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGinnity
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove)
Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago Nat'l)
Matty McIntyre (Detroit)
Matty McIntyre....................Chicago AL
McLean
Merkle (throwing)

Meyers
Miller
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mowery
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murray
Oakes................................St Louis, Nat'l
Oldring (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Paskert
Pelty (vertical)
Purtell
Quinn
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (bat)
Schaefer
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard (glove)
Frank Smith........................Cincinnati


Speaker
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)(Chicago NL)
Street
Summers
Sweeney (New York)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Thomas
Tinker (bat)
Wagner (bat on right)
Warhop
Wheat
Willetts
Wilson
Wiltse (portrait)
Wiltse (throwing)

TRADES....circa 1909 - Spring 1912

Bobby Byrne.................from St Louis NL to Pittsburg on Aug 19, 1909
Clark Griffith.................signed a contract in Oct 1911 to manage Washington
Buck Herzog.................from Boston NL to New York NL on July 22, 1911
Miller Huggins (port).......from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910
Harry Lord.....................from Boston AL to Chicago AL on Aug 11, 1910
Harry McIntyre..............from Brooklyn to Chicago NL on April 13, 1910
Matty McIntyre.............from Detroit to Chicago AL on Jan 12, 1911
Rebel Oakes..................from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910
Frank Smith..................from Boston AL to Cinci on May 11, 1911
Harry Steinfeldt............1912 Spring training tryout with St Louis NL


Check-out this 2010 thread for more info on this subject...... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...215+Pirate+set







TED Z
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[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Val...... Here is the confirmed 97-card list [includes Bobby Byrne (St. Louis variation)] from the PIRATE set find (circa 2007).

These cards were most likely printed in two 48-card series (1910 & 1912) using the regular T215-1 pre-printed (fronts) sheets.

Therefore, this tells us that Walter Johnson (pitching) must exist as a RED CROSS (T215-1) card.

Ted, thanks for trying to enlighten me with your T215-1 theory, which, in fact, I grasped the first time you presented it. You theory really means the the WaJo (pitching) card MUST HAVE BEEN PRINTED 100+ years ago, as opposed to meaning that this card MUST EXIST today, which is what I am trying to ascertain. As we both know, it is generally believed that there are many cards that were printed back in the day for which no examples any longer exist. Knowing that you have been involved with pre-War cards much longer than I have, have you ever seen a T215-1 WaJo or know of anyone who has one?
Val