Spring cleaning comes early to the Plank household...

[barrysloate]

Greg- of course I don't know for sure chemicals were used, but on many occasions I've sent paper ephemera to my conservator to clean, and to remove a stain of that nature, he's always had to use a chemical of some kind. I just don't know how you would remove the stains on that Plank without some form of solution. That is not easy to get out.

[Anthony S.]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Greg- of course I don't know for sure chemicals were used, but on many occasions I've sent paper ephemera to my conservator to clean, and to remove a stain of that nature, he's always had to use a chemical of some kind. I just don't know how you would remove the stains on that Plank without some form of solution. That is not easy to get out.

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[tedzan]

This Plank was "WATER card-BOARDED" till it came clean


John Wonka

Please email me......

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Thanks,

TED Z

[alanu]

Imho, it's a little naive for anyone with a sizeable collection to think they don't have cards that have been altered in some way, even the graded one's and imho especially the higher graded one's.

In many cases it's probably almost impossible for the grading companies to catch the alterations without having access to how the card looked before the alterations.

In the case of a high profile card like this Plank, I do think the grading companies have some responsibility to check past sales of the card to see if it's a previously sold card that has been altered.


-Alan

[calvindog]

It's clear that PSA just missed it. What's astonishing is that a card of this magnitude and rarity could actually have gone unnoticed by PSA. How many Planks sell a year? Don't they even bother to easily check the card's history before grading it? And then to bump it up is just too funny. Kudos for Paragon for disclosing this and kudos to Paragon for running a cool auction with no buyer's premium.

[sb1]

Barry may have answered our question unknowingly. As paper conservators use several different chemicals to remove various stains, and have been doing so for decades. Is one to assume these chemicals have no long term detriment, as no one has yet to hear of any important documents, prints, paintings, etc that are either falling apart or regressing in condition.

[wonkaticket]

Please ignore this post all members I made a mistake and see nothing wrong with the above at all.

On a completely unrelated topic please also get your bids in early from my upcoming sale of one card in my collection...Leon will you hook me up with a low sellers VIG with B&L?

Ted, email me your number I'll call you I hate typing..as you can see from my posts I'm not very good at it.

Cheers,

John

[botn]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Greg- of course I don't know for sure chemicals were used, but on many occasions I've sent paper ephemera to my conservator to clean, and to remove a stain of that nature, he's always had to use a chemical of some kind. I just don't know how you would remove the stains on that Plank without some form of solution. That is not easy to get out.

Barry,

You could be right. I do not know what type of stain was present on the card based on the scan. So not sure how looking at a scan makes one able to determine what would be required to remove it.

To those who think the card appears lighter or brighter it may also be due to two different scanners being used to create the images. The color saturation on each of the images looks different.

Chemicals or not, it is not a card I would want to own and one that PSA probably should not have graded. Nice that the auction house identified the cleaning but it would be even nicer if PSA would have had things in place to have caught it.

[barrysloate]

Scott- a good paper conservator can be called upon to clean, deacidify, and restore some very important documents. I can only hope that he is using chemicals that will help preserve them for the long term. I guess knowing what to use is part of his training.

Greg- best as I can tell, that's a fairly serious stain along the left edge of the Plank. I think one would have to use some mild bleaching agent to get it out. It's not going to come out by applying a damp rag. That stuff soaks into the paper and really is brutal to remove. If you ever get a beater card with a stain like that, try playing around with it. You won't get it clean without the proper solution.

Scott- to continue my thought, the way a conservator would attack that stain would be to start with a very weak bleaching solution, probably too weak to remove it. Then he would progressively add a little bleach, making it as strong as he can without doing damage to the card. If he senses it may be too strong, he will then add water to weaken it. It's a trial and error process.

[Doug]

The last time I saw T206s that white was when I soaked a few beaters in warm water mixed with a small scoop of Oxi Clean just to see if it would work. They came out with borders and backs that were snow white with no chemical smell at all. I sold them with the disclosure that they had been cleaned and they later popped up on eBay in slabs.