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[SteakNchop]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

What I don't get is how 14 year olds have ebay and paypal accounts- wouldn't this mean they have credit cards also (to have the paypal account)?

Or does their parents set them up with all of this?

Yes, I have credit card, etc.

[SteakNchop]

Hey Leon, how about you just ban me from this forum, alright? I have no interest in being berated and attacked by a gang of members, including moderators. If this was any reasonable forum, this discussion would have been closed long ago. So why don't you guys just quit giving me hell when you know nothing about my eBay situation and go inbreed like I do according to kingoftheclout.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by SteakNchop

Hey Leon, how about you just ban me from this forum, alright? I have no interest in being berated and attacked by a gang of members, including moderators. If this was any reasonable forum, this discussion would have been closed long ago. So why don't you guys just quit giving me hell when you know nothing about my eBay situation and go inbreed like I do according to kingoftheclout.

Your wish is my command.....SteakNchop is now banned.....now you can go to your other forum and have fun with your
friends.....

btw, this kid sent me a PM just now...I told him to quit calling people outside the board. He said he was confirming my identity. I was going to ban him for that until I saw this post where he asked to be banned anyway....made my job easier. Ebay is full of this crap I guess.

Also, if I am not mistaking, you have to be of legal age to have a credit card unless you have a co-signer that is of legal age....not that any of this really matters as this kid is unfortunately savvy enough to get around many safeguards...

[mr2686]

Must turn away from this thread...must stop looking....can't stop looking...train derailed and mass destruction all around! Why would anyone watch TV when they could read this

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Must turn away from this thread...must stop looking....can't stop looking...train derailed and mass destruction all around! Why would anyone watch TV when they could read this

Mike,
Too funny!! LOL

[Leon]

You can't make this stuff up...This was sent to me this morning.....So the kids dad knows how to copy from the internet. He did go on to tell me he went to law school too..(I bet it was one them 'thar Ivy League ones!! )...I am not sure how he expected me to understand all of this with my middle school education and all .


"I took this from a 2007 Georgetown Law Riview Article. You should takte note:

Operators of blogs are generally immune from liability for defamatory statements posted on their websites, as long as they did not contribute to the posting. In 2003, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a listserv moderator and operator of a website which allegedly published defamatory statements provided by a third party was eligible for immunity under the Communications Decency Act (CDA). Batzel v. Smith, 2003 US App.LEXIS 12736 (9th Cir. 2003). However, if the online service provider plays an active role in soliciting information from users that leads to the defamatory act,(again, you spoke or got information from a 3rd party regarding my son) the operator may not be protected by the safe harbor provisions of the CDA. In Carafano v. Metrosplash.com, Inc., a federal court ruled on the application of the safe harbor of the Communications Decency Act (CDA). The defendant in that case operated a matchmaking website known matchmaker.com. As part of its service, the defendant collected profiles of singles based on an extensive questionnaire. The plaintiff sued Metrosplash because of a false profile of her which an unknown user had posted to the website. The court ruled that by creating the extensive questionnaire, Metrosplash played an active role in developing the information that had been posted. Furthermore, the court ruled that Metrosplash was an information content provider and thus not eligible for the CDA's safe harbor provided to "interactive computer services." Carafano v. Metrosplash.com, Inc., Case No. CV 01-0018 DT (CWx) C.D. Cal. 2002) (subsequently reversed by appeals court). While operators of blogs and services are generally immune from such liability, the more active the service is with its member's, the greater the likelihood of potential liability as a publisher of defamatory materials. (Thus, Leon, you may have liability here).

Another potential source of liability is the person who actually posted the defamatory materials (your posting regarding our conversation is way out of line, untrue and uncalled for). As with more general defamatory statements or materials, a poster can be held personally liable for anything posted which reflects falsely and negatively on a living person's reputation. Posting false and explicit claims regarding a person will generally be held as defamatory for purposes of liability. However, other issues arise concerning the anonymity of the person posting the information, and if known, the jurisdiction in which they are subject.
Jurisdictional issues may arise in situations where the poster had no reason to expect that the effect of the posting would be felt in a certain jurisdiction. However, in defamation cases jurisdictional disputes are liberally ruled upon in favor of the victim. In Griffis v. Luban, the Minnesota court of appeals ruled that Alabama had jurisdiction over a Minnesota defendant who posted defamatory messages on the Internet. The defendant repeatedly posted messages on an Internet newsgroup attacking the plaintiff's professional credentials. The plaintiff initially obtained a $25,000.00 default judgment in Alabama, which she was seeking to enforce in Minnesota. The Minnesota court ruled that the Alabama court had properly exercised jurisdiction because the effects of the messages were felt in Alabama and that the defendant should have expected that she would be sued there. An important factor in the ruling was that she had actual knowledge of the effect of the defamatory statements on the Defendant. Therefore, the Minnesota court enforced the $25,000.00 default judgment. Griffis v. Luban, 633 N.W. 2d 548 (Minn Ct. App. 2001).
However, there are cases where courts have refused to allow the exercise of personal jurisdiction based on defamatory statements. In a Pennsylvania case, the court refused to exercise jurisdiction over a New York defendant who had posted defamatory comments about a defendant on an offshore betting website. The court held that since the comments were not specifically directed at Pennsylvania, the court could not exercise personal jurisdiction over the defendant. English Sports Betting, Inc. v. Tostigan, C.A. No. 01-2202 (E.D. Pa. 2002).
The problems with bringing defamatory actions based on internet postings largely lie in proving that the defendant actually made the posting. If that connection can be made, a much stronger case can be presented and jurisdictional issues can be tackled.

Leon., if I assume you will take down the posting regarding me and the posting regarding my son. That way we can just move on. Best way to proceed in my mind."

[novakjr]

Wasn't all that personal information required during registration? And if he's referring to me outing his kids name, maybe he should tell his kid to not have stalked me down on facebook, thus resulting in me knowing his name. Basically, his name came out by his own doing, and not through 3rd party investigation.

And just one more question. Keep in mind, this is a question, and in no way is it intended to be considered absolute fact, or a defamatory statement regarding said person.

Is this guy a complete and total douche? or what?

[teetwoohsix]

Leon- you just "chopped the steak"

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by SteakNchop

Yes, I have credit card, etc.

Wow.......I guess times have changed.......I used to have to mow lawns to get $$ for Space Invaders & Tempest.......

[SteakNchop]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Wow.......I guess times have changed.......I used to have to mow lawns to get $$ for Space Invaders & Tempest.......

Nowadays, 14 year old kids use fake ebay auctions to make money.
Not.

[SteakNchop]

It's not like I don't have to mow lands for "Space Invaders." I just use debit, credit etc. for online stuff.

[novakjr]

I think we've learned at least 3 things today.

1)don't have your phone number available online.

2)don't spend $6.02 for a dollar bill on ebay, or you'll get hacked.

3)14 year old kids don't have to mow lawns for space invaders anymore, they sell electronic pictures of corned beef hash on ebay.

Well, now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

[ctownboy]

When I Googled steaknchop and the name of the city in California that is listed on the fake Stan Musial autographed ball (or the corned hash), I came up with a number of web sites and chat boards this person was listed as a member on or had commented on. On one of those sites, he states his age as 22.

If you have time and want some fun reading, Google steaknchop and start going through the listings.

David

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

When I Googled steaknchop and the name of the city in California that is listed on the fake Stan Musial autographed ball (or the corned hash), I came up with a number of web sites and chat boards this person was listed as a member on or had commented on. On one of those sites, he states his age as 22.

If you have time and want some fun reading, Google steaknchop and start going through the listings.

David

Leon- Maybe his dad is him? It's hard for me to believe that a 14 year old would be doing all this ebay scam stuff........but then again, who knows nowadays.

Clayton

[GeorgeBailey2]

First time post.

Man, what a fun read.

When Leon mentioned that the dad called him, all I could think of was "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".

Paul Banks

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by novakjr

I think we've learned at least 3 things today.

1)don't have your phone number available online.

2)don't spend $6.02 for a dollar bill on ebay, or you'll get hacked.

3)14 year old kids don't have to mow lawns for space invaders anymore, they sell electronic pictures of corned beef hash on ebay.

Well, now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

Good stuff

[mr2686]

there's a post on a board from him from a few days ago that was asking if anyone had a Tiger Woods auto for sale. This falls under things that make you go hmmmm.

[ctownboy]

Other things that make you go "hummm?" are as follows;

if the guy is 14 then

1) How did he get hsi own eBay account?
2) How did he get his own PayPal account?
3) How did he get his own credit card?
4) Why was he on a chat board at 1:30 A.M. this morning? Shouldn't he be asleep?
5) Why was he on THIS chat board this afternoon? Shouldn't he be in school?

David

[Leon]

Wow....so I just got a call from our kid members dad. It is unfortunately plain to see where he gets his issues. After his dad informed me that I don't know my rights with my middle school education, I told him I did sleep at a Holiday Inn one night. I can assure our members, the apple ain't falling far from the tree on this one. And his dad steadfastly refused to believe I am not responsible for what others say. He went onto say he is going to close our board down. Why is it that people act like such idiots when they are so clueless as to what they are talking about? (I think that is a rhetorical question)

[oriolesbb6]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

wow.......i guess times have changed.......i used to have to mow lawns to get $$ for space invaders & tempest.......

lol.......