Beware Carterscards2006

novakjr · #1 02-20-2011, 08:38 PM

And now thanks to Todd, the seller will be stuck with a card that has been publicly branded as trimmed, which may or may not be true. So let's see what's been covered in this thread. Carters knowingly sells altered, yet professionally graded cards.. Carters shills up his bidders.. Carters doesn't communicate at all.. None of which seems to be the case, with the exception of maybe the communication thing. Am I forgetting anything? All because Todd knowingly took a risk on an item that clearly stated no refunds, and it didn't work out the way he'd hoped so he's throwing a hissy fit about it.

Also, most people apparently haven't had any issues with the seller's communication up until you.. I'd honestly love to see the original email you sent the seller that warranted him to ignore you.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 02-20-2011, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by novakjr

And now thanks to Todd, the seller will be stuck with a card that has been publicly branded as trimmed, which may or may not be true. So let's see what's been covered in this thread. Carters knowingly sells altered, yet professionally graded cards.. Carters shills up his bidders.. Carters doesn't communicate at all.. None of which seems to be the case, with the exception of maybe the communication thing. Am I forgetting anything? All because Todd knowingly took a risk on an item that clearly stated no refunds, and it didn't work out the way he'd hoped so he's throwing a hissy fit about it.

Also, most people apparently haven't had any issues with the seller's communication up until you.. I'd honestly love to see the original email you sent the seller that warranted him to ignore you.

What's your basis for saying that he is not shilling, in light of the statistics posted regarding another ID with well over 100 bids 97 percent of which were with the seller? EDIT TO CUT AND PASTE FROM POST 4:
Bidder Information
Bidder: s***n( 6 )
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description: Item Title: 1914 T222 Fatima GROVER ALEXANDER Graded PSA 5 EX
Bids on this item: 2
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 131
Items bid on: 92
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 97%
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 0

novakjr · #3 02-20-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's your basis for saying that he is not shilling, in light of the statistics posted regarding another ID with well over 100 bids 97 percent of which were with the seller?

I don't have any basis for saying that he's not shilling, but there isn't really a valid basis for saying that his either.

That buyer is still relatively new, let's give him a little more time before jumping to that conclusion. And aside from an SGC graded Cobb, the buyer seems to be targeting high grade PSA stuff. There was clearly ZERO shilling on Todd's auction. Also, if I remember correctly, Todd had a 81% bid history with this seller. Is he also helping this guy shill?

Anyways, I'm getting out of this thread for now, before I piss too many more people off.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 02-20-2011, 09:07 PM

Yeah it could be a coincidence that out of 132 bids 97 percent are with the same seller. Or loyalty, a fine quality. EDIT TO ADD I see he also bought a shiny Joe Jackson bat card from the seller. Clearly a buyer of diverse tastes. Bought some midgrade stuff too. In my opinion, it's beyond even a reasonable doubt, but whatever, I've been wrong before.

chaddurbin · #5 02-20-2011, 09:15 PM

peter you can't prove to us he shill bids unless you have photo proof of the seller sitting at his laptop with the shill bidder's account on his desktop...just like todd can't prove the card is trimmed unless he was there to witness it. we will take nothing less

Peter_Spaeth · #6 02-20-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chaddurbin

peter you can't prove to us he shill bids unless you have photo proof of the seller sitting at his laptop with the shill bidder's account on his desktop...just like todd can't prove the card is trimmed unless he was there to witness it. we will take nothing less

No circumstantial evidence in your court, eh?

#7 02-20-2011, 09:29 PM

Just something to chew on here gentlemen that are siding with a.........whats the word I am looking for...........

Feel free to help me with the word I am looking for guys

http://www.recordpub.com/news/article/4067361

vintagetoppsguy · #8 02-20-2011, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

peter you can't prove to us he shill bids unless you have photo proof of the seller sitting at his laptop with the shill bidder's account on his desktop...just like todd can't prove the card is trimmed unless he was there to witness it. we will take nothing less

I don't think anybody asked to prove shilling (unless I missed that part). It looks suspicious, but people can draw their own conclusions. The OP stated that he can prove the card is trimmed. I've simply asked him to do so. He can either prove it and shut up all of us "turds" or he popped off his big mouth. Which is it? Either way, I am done with this thread. He either proves it and I make one final post (my apology to him) or he doesn't prove it and shows himself a liar - for the second time.

chaddurbin · #9 02-20-2011, 09:35 PM

i am surprised todd was still engaging and it took him this long blow up. with all the inane chatter, lol arguments and focus on the stupidest detail i would've flipped out a long time ago. someone trying to compare the situation to a $120 topps banks card that went from a psa 7 to an sgc80. i'm sure if sgc said it was recolored you would've been totally fine like "psa...lol, seller still a good dude i'll rack it up as a learning experience"....now multiply that 10x.

todd knew what he was getting with gai, he was willing to go from a gai 7.5 to a sgc80, that didn't happen. you expect a "professional" TPG with mike baker to at least know a clean card from altered, that's not asking too much. todd knows his M, if i have a question about this issue todd would be one of 2-3 i would come to (rhett is another). he suspected card was trimmed when he got it. instead of confronting the seller right away (like i would) he did the fair thing and sent it off to sgc on his own dime to confirm his suspicion. it's so lol how people are nitpicking at the shipping method he used etc...like really? you can't be serious right????

then to gang up and attack his character, from a bunch of names i've never heard of with less than 100 posts and no history on the board at all...like WOW~! the seller is the one not answering emails, the seller is probably shill-bidding, the seller is not standing behind product, and todd's character is being questioned? Quoting a great American..."YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"

not breaking paragraph to show how tilting reading this thread is (edit: eh broke up into paragraphs as there's enough people who can't read properly as is...). in the end it won't matter as todd will get his money back and seller can send card to psa and it'll come back an 8 and everyone will be happy.

bcornell · #10 02-20-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by novakjr

Carters shills up his bidders.. Carters doesn't communicate at all.. None of which seems to be the case

David N. -

A user with 6 feedback bids 127 times on this seller's cards and 4 times with other sellers in a 30-day period.

The only one who should apologize is the seller.

Bill

Edited to add: vintagetoppsguy is also David

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