Beware Carterscards2006

mdschulze · #1 02-22-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I just don't understand what the criminal history has to do with anything.

I personally think criminal activity has a lot to do with ANY seller. I would rather take my chances conducting business with someone who doesn't have a criminal history (or hasn't been caught yet & I'm unaware) than from a known felon! IMO, if a person displays no conscience while embezzling money, why would I expect him/her to act differently with a simple buy/sell transaction. Is society so numb these days that dishonesty, lack of morals and unethical business practices mean nothing anymore?

Peter_Spaeth · #2 02-22-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mdschulze

I personally think criminal activity has a lot to do with ANY seller. I would rather take my chances conducting business with someone who doesn't have a criminal history (or hasn't been caught yet & I'm unaware) than from a known felon! IMO, if a person displays no conscience while embezzling money, why would I expect him/her to act differently with a simple buy/sell transaction. Is society so numb these days that dishonesty, lack of morals and unethical business practices mean nothing anymore?

Apparently some here care only if the seller delivers the card they bought. Rather shocking to me, but that's just me.

vintagetoppsguy · #3 02-22-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Apparently some here care only if the seller delivers the card they bought. Rather shocking to me, but that's just me.

But keep in mind, we're talking about an eBay deal here where the buyer is protected through PayPal. What would I have to lose? If I were dealing with somebody outside of eBay, believe me I would want to know a lot more about them.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 02-23-2011, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

But keep in mind, we're talking about an eBay deal here where the buyer is protected through PayPal. What would I have to lose? If I were dealing with somebody outside of eBay, believe me I would want to know a lot more about them.

To me, it's about more than will I get my card, it's about not wanting to support people of whom I don't approve, on general principles. But as we've seen time and again, "stuff" trumps all for lots of folks.

pwilk17 · #5 02-23-2011, 07:29 AM

Crooks will come Ray � Crooks will come. The one constant has been baseball and crooks will know that the lure of that perfectly doctored and or shill bid card will prove too irresistible to resist.

From shady dealers to card doctors to the owners of grading companies selling cards to autograph authentication experts who profit from authenticating fake autographs to auction houses and individuals that employ shill bidding to counterfeit card experts to counterfeit slab experts ��., there seem to be a lot of shady characters and crooks involved in this hobby.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 02-23-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pwilk17

Crooks will come Ray � Crooks will come. The one constant has been baseball and crooks will know that the lure of that perfectly doctored and or shill bid card will prove too irresistible to resist.

From shady dealers to card doctors to the owners of grading companies selling cards to autograph authentication experts who profit from authenticating fake autographs to auction houses and individuals that employ shill bidding to counterfeit card experts to counterfeit slab experts ��., there seem to be a lot of shady characters and crooks involved in this hobby.

No worries Peter the FBI investigation surely will clean it up.

botn · #7 02-23-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No worries Peter the FBI investigation surely will clean it up.

Gosh I surely hope not Peter. Some of those folks are admired and revered by many of this board's regulars.

tiger8mush · #8 02-22-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Apparently some here care only if the seller delivers the card they bought. Rather shocking to me, but that's just me.

What more could you ask of a seller?

vintagetoppsguy · #9 02-22-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mdschulze

I personally think criminal activity has a lot to do with ANY seller. I would rather take my chances conducting business with someone who doesn't have a criminal history (or hasn't been caught yet & I'm unaware) than from a known felon! IMO, if a person displays no conscience while embezzling money, why would I expect him/her to act differently with a simple buy/sell transaction. Is society so numb these days that dishonesty, lack of morals and unethical business practices mean nothing anymore?

I disagree, but you make some valid points. All I am saying is what does his criminal past have to do with this particular case?

mdschulze · #10 02-22-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I disagree, but you make some valid points. All I am saying is what does his criminal past have to do with this particular case?

I get what you're saying. My point was to place emphasis on his character as an individual and while conducting business, not specifically with this case. But... a man's character goes along way in business. If a seller displays characteristics of being dishonest, it's not below them to try and weasel their way out of situations such as this.

botn · #11 02-22-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mdschulze

I personally think criminal activity has a lot to do with ANY seller. I would rather take my chances conducting business with someone who doesn't have a criminal history (or hasn't been caught yet & I'm unaware) than from a known felon! IMO, if a person displays no conscience while embezzling money, why would I expect him/her to act differently with a simple buy/sell transaction. Is society so numb these days that dishonesty, lack of morals and unethical business practices mean nothing anymore?

Memory Lane is certainly not hurting? The hobby must be a witness protection program of sorts for felons.

Vol · #12 02-22-2011, 11:45 PM

I would be pissed too if I tried to cross a graded card and it came back trimmed.

Sounds like more of a grading company beef than a seller beef. IMO. JMO.

jezzeaepi · #13 02-23-2011, 12:33 AM

First of all, maybe I am looking at the wrong price guides, but according to the few sales on VCP, the price isn't much of a discount. I don't know where the 5k$ value carter keeps quoting comes from, but I see 1095 for a PSA 6. Kind of hard for it to be a profitable scam when there is no profit. Now, if he were mad that the card didn't cross to a PSA 7.5, THEN maybe he could be flipping them and making a profit. That is not what happened though. He was mad that it didn't cross to *any* graded number, and was in fact altered to have the appearance of a higher grade.

Second of all, if Carter is so aware of the fact that the cards in GAI's holders are sketchy, and that there is great risk in them, then maybe he shouldn't be selling them(and by deduction, BUYING THEM HIMSELF)? The rules on ebay are more geared towards the buyer, not the seller, so I don't see how he expects to come out ahead.

Sterling Sports Auctions · #14 02-23-2011, 12:51 AM

For the detractors out there about Todd submitting the card to SGC. Did it dawn on you that when the seller stated that he knew GAI would sell for 20% of SGC or PSA, then why would he not try and submit his $1000 card to turn it into a $4000-$500 card? Or maybe he did and it came back the same results as Todd got.

The seller comes here to comes here tell here side of the story only to come up with a wonderful story and not address his problematic issues.

Those you defend this seller and other like him, going on buying from them, it only takes once and the whole experience is shot in the ass. Have a great time in life with your purchases.

Lee

lharri3600 · #15 02-23-2011, 01:06 PM

issac,
man oh man did you nail it! you nailed it! why can't we see that grading is no more than a scam? i mean i believe a trimmed card is a trimmed card. how in the world can a card be sent in, deemed trimmed, and sent in 2 weeks later and gets a grade of 7! maybe, just maybe, the card is not trimmed at all. so much for the subjectivity baloney.

Fred · #16 02-23-2011, 01:38 PM

This thread is officially in the top ten with respect to the number of posts. Only a little more than 430 posts to become number 1 and only less than 100 more posts to be in the top 5!

Fred · #17 02-23-2011, 02:19 PM

Ok, Paul, do yourself a favor - "out" the two reputable dealers and have them corroborate your story... If you can do this (and people can agree that the two sellers are "reputable") then you have something to fall back on. If you refuse to reveal the two dealers then there are going to be more skeptics than people willing to believe your statement.

teetwoohsix · #18 02-23-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred

Ok, Paul, do yourself a favor - "out" the two reputable dealers and have them corroborate your story... If you can do this (and people can agree that the two sellers are "reputable") then you have something to fall back on. If you refuse to reveal the two dealers then there are going to be more skeptics than people willing to believe your statement.

This is a great suggestion.........

Anthony S. · #19 02-23-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred

Ok, Paul, do yourself a favor - "out" the two reputable dealers and have them corroborate your story...

.

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