AP All Day goes over the top wow

[ChiefBenderForever]

Yeah I can't believe he is crying like this, he should be thinking about how to not fumble and hang onto the ball, how to play a full season, and finally, how to explain to the fans how they ended up in the bottom of the division with a worse record than Detroit next year.

[steve B]

10.72 million? for one year? Ok, I'll work under some truly horrific conditions for that sort of money. What a spoiled whiner.

Both sides really need to wake up.
Wasn't there some other sport that was doing very well and expanding into places nobody figured it could? They had a big network TV deal too. Then there as a lockout. I don't see much of them anymore, even in a town that has a good team.

Oh yes here it is on VS network, the one that carries stuff rejected by ESPN8. It's called Hockey.

Steve B

$10.72 million... I had no idea modern day slavery paid so well. This is an afront to REAL problems in the world.

I hope the owners lock them out and donate player salaries to relief efforts in Japan (48 X the league minimum would be a great start). One year without concussions would obviously do Adrian some good.

[Jay Wolt]

[QUOTE=pariah1107;878904]$10.72 million... I had no idea modern day slavery paid so well. This is an afront to REAL problems in the world.

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and that $10.72 million is over and above any $$$ the players make for making the playoffs
as each round the pot gets bigger. Plus I would venture to say AP's endorsements probably
bring in another $10 million or so annually.
Perhaps we should start a food drive for him & his family.

[steve B]

That would be a great protest. Everyone send a can of soup or something to his house with a note saying how we hope he's doing ok. A few thousand cans should ge the point across. Hopefully he'd donate most of them to a shelter or something.

Alas, if I was running something like that I'd be the only one sending anything, and I'd probably get arrested and have to explain it all to Postal inspectors, FBI, and homeland security.

Steve B

[bobbvc]

It always amazes me how sports fans and the public in general can side with the owners in these cases. Some athletes are making a lot of money to be sure, but in many cases ruining their bodies and you are paying to see THEM, not the owners. The owners are making Tens of millions many times over every year and not just in a few peak years like the athletes. The players aren't moving franchises in the middle of the night, taking public subsidies for more profitable stadiums. In any case the average fan is living a life much closer to that of a player than an owner.
And as far as the slavery comment, Walter Johnson said the same thing nearly 100 years ago.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Originally Posted by bobbvc

It always amazes me how sports fans and the public in general can side with the owners in these cases. Some athletes are making a lot of money to be sure, but in many cases ruining their bodies and you are paying to see THEM, not the owners. The owners are making Tens of millions many times over every year and not just in a few peak years like the athletes. The players aren't moving franchises in the middle of the night, taking public subsidies for more profitable stadiums. In any case the average fan is living a life much closer to that of a player than an owner.
And as far as the slavery comment, Walter Johnson said the same thing nearly 100 years ago.

Athletes have talent and that's it, the only reason they get paid is because the owners are already worth millions or billions and many lose money on their teams so without the legit money they have would go broke running the team. Look at the NBA, only a few teams make a profit, the rest are losing millions and the league is on the brink of going under. The owners don't need the team and neither do the fans, the players do and without it many would make minimum wage. When Walter Johnson played the players were treated badly and played under terrible conditions. These days they are spoiled and look at AP, gets paid 10 mill and can't even play a full season and still crys. How can you compare an average fan to a pro athlete when the avg fan can barely afford to go to a single game, and those who do go never pay for tickets anyways since they are all bought corporate seats handed out to favorites at the corporate jobs. Tickets are expensive and most are tax write offs and this is the owners fault, but at the same time it pays for all the salaries of the players and the fans put up with it. I hope the NFL does strike so they can see how stupid they really are. Without gambling and fantasy football the NFL wouldn't be the popular sport it is but they think it is all about them when it is all about the stats. And right now the economy is the worst it has been since the 1970s and the players have the gall to cry about money ? I'm not siding with the owners but they already built an empire by being cut throat so don't expect them to bend to what they see as a bunch of ignorant spoiled brats. Yes the players make the owners money but they don't need it as it's all gravy and that is what the idiot players don't seem to take into acct when they cry about getting robbed and ripped off. The owners don't need to budge and shouldn't, anything they lose is just a tax write off anyways. It's like us crying about taxes and saying we are not going to pay them, ask Wesley Snipes how that worked out.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bobbvc

It always amazes me how sports fans and the public in general can side with the owners in these cases. Some athletes are making a lot of money to be sure, but in many cases ruining their bodies and you are paying to see THEM, not the owners. The owners are making Tens of millions many times over every year and not just in a few peak years like the athletes. The players aren't moving franchises in the middle of the night, taking public subsidies for more profitable stadiums. In any case the average fan is living a life much closer to that of a player than an owner.
And as far as the slavery comment, Walter Johnson said the same thing nearly 100 years ago.

Well, I'll try to explain it. Yes, AP works a job that is very damaging physically. And for that he deserves a decent salary, a good pension, and excellent medical care both during and after his career. He gets the salary, and then some, enough that he can afford his own medical care after his career is over. He'll also get a decent pension, not fantastic, but decent.
And yes, many ex pros don't make that kind of money.
If it was a marginal lineman facing rehab after a blown out knee with no guarantee that he'd ever play again I'd have some sympathy

Some of what the owners were intending to put in place was more health care and pension for older players whose pensions are based on 1970's salary levels. And the giveback from the cap money was also supposed to be used for the fancy facilities todays players demand.

And the owners wouldn't pay the players as much as they do if they weren't making either short term profits (Jersey sales, tv contract share, tickets, etc) Or long term profits from enhanced value of the franchise.

Now from my point of view...

I worked in industrial jobs for 20 years. In an era that was just beginning to understand stuff like chemical exposure, repetitive motion injury, etc. Overall probably not as damaging as a long pro football career. But harder than baseball or basketball, and maybe equal to hockey. Not directly equivalent, but similar. Unless one of the chemicals does its long term thing and wrecks an organ or causes cancer. No AC in the summer, little Heat in the winter.

My BESTyear was around 40K. That's about $20 an hour, less than the old pro working in the batting cage.

I'd have to work about 268 years to earn APs base salary.

And I get 0 pension, 0 post career health care. I was lucky to have some health care at the last job, but didn't have any at the previous jobs.
And I had to be there every day. Except my 2 weeks of vacation - Oh by the way please don't take them consecutively.


If APs career is "Slavery" enslave me! .... Please!

And like any business owner the team owners take the risks. Like paying big signing bonuses to guys like Ryan Leaf. Or any of the hyped guys that get hurt or can't be coached or just plain aren't good enough. So maybe they deserve their profits. Just like the guy that paid my salary deserved his profits for taking the risks of running a business.

Steve B