Mantle signature opinions

scmavl · #1 03-15-2011, 09:21 PM

What about the occasional "loop" at the end of the half moons? Were these more prominant later?

Example (not mine):

Mr. Zipper · #2 03-18-2011, 08:20 AM

Hi folks:

Newbie here... by way of introduction my name is Steve and I've been collecting about 20 years. Mantle has always been somewhat of a struggle for me because it's so hard to assemble a large body of KNOWN authentics to "train the eye." This discussion has been very enlightening.

I just learned that one of my Mantles is not good and now am concerned about a second.

Here's one Richard Simon gave the thumbs down. It passes the litmus tests discussed here, but there must be something else...

Here's the one I am now concerned about. I purchased this in 2000 from a show dealer and it came with a COA stating it came from Gloria Rothstein (NY show promoter). It is on photostock that appears to be from the 80s. Previously, I would have bet almost anything it was good, but it doesn't have the "flicks" discussed here. The "c" and the "n" seem to be okay though.

It compares favotably to this PSA autehticated piece of the same pose.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mickey-Mantle-si...item336343f165

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Fuddjcal · #3 03-18-2011, 02:01 PM

boy, those are tough

I guess it must have more to do with things I don't know how to qualify. The first one certainly looks better than the second. I would trust Richards opinion probably over just about anybody, so he knows something about these versions, which appear much better than the ones we were discussing?

I think it has to do with the "n" (no point) on either one of them. On the second one, the "antle" is too low in my opinion and I really don't like the "Man".

If those are forgeries, that really shows you what we are up against. These are a different breed than the blatent fakes which are really easy to see. I think I would be a sucker for the first one. The 2nd I would not bid on, even though in my mind, it "might" be authentic, based on what I feel are really good "Mickey's", but the Mantle is fairly messy, so I would pass.

I will be on the look out for more of these sytles to see if PSA or JSA has certed any of these??? Thanks for posting those. FUDD

Mr. Zipper · #4 03-18-2011, 02:12 PM

Here's what has me puzzled (among other things)...

Both of these were purchased about 10 years ago. At the time, it was 5/6 years after Mantle's death and the autograph still wasn't that expensive and it was in good supply.

Were Mantle fakes THAT sophisticated at that time period? I know there has always been sloppy obvious fakes, but REALLY good ones at that time?

chaddurbin · #5 03-18-2011, 04:22 PM

it's a catch-22 with those that know what to look for. if they point it out, that just gives the scammers more knowledge to work with. so i understand why people can be tight-lipped about these things.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #6 03-18-2011, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

it's a catch-22 with those that know what to look for. if they point it out, that just gives the scammers more knowledge to work with. so i understand why people can be tight-lipped about these things.

Finally! Someone understands.

Fuddjcal · #7 03-19-2011, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBirkholm

Finally! Someone understands.

I guess I is a moron, because I don't understand

. I think there should be as much out there on the subject as possible and "tight lipped" cricket chirpers who know about all these scams and what to look for say too little too often.

Crooks are everywhere, that doesn't mean we should give them a free ride and not edumacate lowly collectors like Fudd. That's why you will never see an authenticator chime in on this subject. While I respect Jodi's experience and opinions immensely and see his point, I will continue to spew what very little learned knowledge I have because frankly, I don't give a rat's ass about any of the forgers. If they want to forge, let them. You can't control criminals, but you can educate collectors. If you can stop one person from buying a forgery, it's worth it in my opinion. You have yours....So I guess you won't be sharing any of your vast knowledge on the subject?

I don't see Richard either and/or Shelly, so what you say makes sense to them too obviously. Frankly, I'm not buying the Clam up approach.

How has that worked out for the industry???? FUDD

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