Uncut 1952 Topps sheets � Need your help?

jmoran19 · #1 03-30-2011, 04:31 PM

Looks like the ones in this photo may help too:

pow323 · #2 03-30-2011, 04:34 PM

I think I will run down to Woolworths and buy a few of those!! Anyone want to go with me?

SMPEP · #3 03-30-2011, 04:40 PM

Wow, great pictures. That big sheet is very interesting. I had assumed everything was printed in rows of 5 based on all the other sheets I collected.

Thanks!
Patrick

SlugSports · #4 03-30-2011, 04:42 PM

That Woolworths photo has me salivating !!

toppcat · #5 03-30-2011, 05:14 PM

Those are the biggest portions of '52 sheets I have ever seen John; nothing but 5 x 5 quadrants until now. I thought that the big sheet was two partial halves of a full 200 card sheet, as the gutter down the middle makes that pretty clear to me then I see the horizontal gutter. Either those were from a proofing operation or Topps had Lord Baltimore Printing running off 400 cards on a big sheet, which I am trying to get my head around. Is a sheet that size even possible to print in 1952?

Is that a full run of 81-130? I presume it is. Where one earth did you find that scan?!

I have some bits and pieces on my blog as well: http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/se...pps%20Baseball

jmoran19 · #6 03-30-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by toppcat

Those are the biggest portions of '52 sheets I have ever seen John; nothing but 5 x 5 quadrants until now. I thought that the big sheet was two partial halves of a full 200 card sheet, as the gutter down the middle makes that pretty clear to me then I see the horizontal gutter. Either those were from a proofing operation or Topps had Lord Baltimore Printing running off 400 cards on a big sheet, which I am trying to get my head around. Is a sheet that size even possible to print in 1952?

Is that a full run of 81-130? I presume it is. Where one earth did you find that scan?!

I have some bits and pieces on my blog as well: http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/se...pps%20Baseball

Off the top of my head I don't remember but the date on my file is April 2009 so maybe REA??

IMO the full sheet would have each card printed 4 times in blocks of 50 so 200 total cards on the one sheet with the gutter down the middle(s)

tedzan · #7 03-31-2011, 02:39 PM

You are correct, a complete 1952 Topps sheet contains 200 cards. The sheet pictured here has been cut down....as it only shows 136 cards.
The leftmost side of this sheet is missing two columns. The rightmost side of it is missing one column. And, the bottom two rows are missing.

What is very interesting about this incomplete sheet is that it tells us that the most plentiful Series (#81-130) were Quadruple-Printed (QP).

TED Z

SMPEP · #8 03-31-2011, 04:29 PM

Ted,

I absolutely agree with your comments. This sheet gives us real insight into the printing for series 2. I've also heard that in the 1980s(?) someone brought in 3/4th of the high numbers on 3 sheets. And while I've never seen these sheets (anyone out there have a picture?), I've seen two different sources show the lay out of the cards and what that tells us is the the high numbers were all double printed (on a full sheet) ... except for the Mantle, Jackie and Thomson which were all quadruaple printed. (Hard to imagine how expensive those three cards would be if they weren't!). This also mirrors Al Rosen's find. The scarcity in this series really does seem to relate to what got distributed versus what got printed.

The other series are still a bit of a mystery though as they do not evenly divide into 100 as they are 80 cards to a series and 60 cards to a series.

The Stanky/Law sheet (which has a red back) that I showed in my earlier pictures does give us some additional insight here though ... as that combines print series 1 and 2. This proves (?) Topps printed some cards for a later series on the earlier series sheet if they had the extra room. Another sheet or two crossing series would be useful to further prove this for the later series (so please show them if you got them!).

The black backs for series 1 is also still a mystery. We know they didn't print later series with black backs, so presumably they just kept printing Series 1 cards until they fill the sheets ... but how did they ensure equal distribution?

Also another mystery still ... if this is the printing practice ... why is #20 Loes a short print when nothing else from that run is? Why is #295 Cavaretta a shorter print than the others around it?

Actually I can still come up with other questions (like why does the Roe sheet I pictured have two rows of Roe ... in both ascending and descending order ... when all of the other sheets we see don't have any repeats and are either ascending or descending?).

In any event, thanks to John for showing a very important sheet! This provides one more clue that I didn't have before.

Cheers,
Patrick

tombocombo · #9 05-24-2011, 03:54 AM

are there any known 3rd series sheets that might show with the frank house yellow logo

53Browns · #10 05-24-2011, 07:17 AM

We will be departing for Woolworth's in one hour...

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