Nicholls SC150 649 OP CONTROVERSY

tedzan · #1 05-08-2011, 10:29 PM

Your citing my original research (posted on this forum two years ago) regarding the correlation between the SWEET CAPORAL 150,
Factory 649 (overprint) subjects and their Brown HINDU counterparts. And, I realized at that time that the Nicholls card was the
exception to this correlation. As, Brian Weisner convinced me that a Brown HINDU card of Nicholls will not be found.

So, does a Nicholls card with the SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory 649 (overprint) back exist ?

At this point, I cannot say it exists or it does not exist. Perhaps, I imagined it several years ago when I put together this sub-set.
Or, perhaps it was an invalid data point in an independent 14,000 card survey. I can say from my experience, though, that several
subjects (e.g. McIntyre, Schlei, Spencer, Wagner, etc.) in this sub-set are considerably more difficult to find than the majority of
the other subjects.

In any event, I've labelled Nicholls as UNCERTAIN on my SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory 649 list. At the Chicago National this Summer,
I am getting together with an old buddy of mine on a deal, who is bringing his stock of 6,000+ T206's. Many of which are cards with
tougher backs. If this Nicholls card does exist, I expect that he may have one.

TED Z

wonkaticket · #2 05-08-2011, 10:58 PM

"So, does a Nicholls card with the SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory 649 (overprint) back exist ?At this point, I cannot say it exists or it does not exist."

LOL went from Mission Accomplished and in your collection to not so sure...

"I am getting together with an old buddy of mine on a deal, who is bringing his stock of 6,000+ T206's. Many of which are cards with tougher backs. If this Nicholls card does exist, I expect that he may have one."

Same buddy you sold the mythical AB460's with Cobb too in Oaks...keep digging deeper at this point its more entertainment than anything Ted 6000+ T206's LOL, how about you call him and ask him if he has one? If he does have him send it on I'll pay for grading and give him $500 for the effort and return the card....but wait right he just got rid of his phone this month so you can't call..oh darn the luck.

Once again lots of talk from you with very little substance or images, but please don’t let that stop more story time with Uncle Ted I want to hear how you will get my head spinning or make me “dizzy” with all of your awesomeness.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ght=green+cobb

"Am I making you "dizzy" Dan ?"

Cheers,

John

wonkaticket · #3 05-08-2011, 11:10 PM

And there you have it forum member’s right from ol’ greatness himself.

"I cannot say it exists or it does not exist. Perhaps, I imagined it several years ago when I put together this sub-set."

Hmmmm I wonder how many cards you are chasing right now are imagined or figments of Ted’s imagination or story telling or epic yarns?

Look back at this thread and see where he said these are made up and not real...hmmm looks a lot like a guy bragging about cards he doesn't have...hmmm.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=91120

Enjoy your lists from Ted Z, let me know how ya make out.

John

danmckee · #4 05-09-2011, 09:01 AM

John, Please remind me nver to piss you off, thanks Dan.

PolarBear · #5 05-09-2011, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee

John, Please remind me nver to piss you off, thanks Dan.

wonkaticket · #6 05-09-2011, 05:55 PM

LMAO that is the greatest thing ever....! Thanks for that.

Cheers,

John

mrvster · #7 05-09-2011, 09:42 PM

John,

I vote you,Tim and Jim as the new t206 crusaders!!

....although there are many others(Art M, Etc.,Ect.).......keep hold of the flame

we must look to your research primarily...unless a Nicholls is
produced, might as well burn Ted's lists

.....

i'm usually the Peace keeper, but this hobby sees enough CRAP!!!

we don't need it from one of our "brain trust"....story telling i'm leaving up to Mary Poppins...

these cards make people do some strange things

Why is

......some super great points

....

Ted, why NO RESPONSE????!!!

PLEASE MAN!! tell us you had a momentary lapse of reason...

just admit it, and we can move on...if not , collectors will be chasing their own tales for what???eventually collectors will catch on that some of the cards you said existed , really don't exist..

either way, the truth will come out....we would accept you back, admit your mistakes, just change your ways....we could use some good , honest research
it is just another bruise that collectors don't want to deal with, and turn people off of the hobby....i love my cards, don't get me wrong, but crap like this turns me sour

Respectfully,

Johnny

HRBAKER · #8 05-10-2011, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danmckee

John, Please remind me nver to piss you off, thanks Dan.

Dan,
True, but I'd love to see the T-Shirts!

mintacular · #9 05-10-2011, 09:23 AM

on the video

Leon · #10 05-10-2011, 09:37 AM

Hey guys,

While I understand all of the arguments, probably better than I want to, this personal attacking is not going to continue on this board. Even if mistakes were made I don't think it's right that every time Ted breathes he gets attacked. Ted might have included things in the listings that should not have been included, maybe some poor decisions were made in the process, but this personal attacking is going to cease. It's just not right. Ted has a lot to offer in the way of knowledge and I think every one is much more aware (now) of being careful when accounting for cards that exist, or don't. As a matter of fact in the next few weeks I hope to come out with some very interesting information about this very topic. It might include some 206 information but will definitely address the concerns of verifying what we are doing before reporting it as the gospel. Ya'll can make fun of me, or joke around at me, that is fine. No problem. Everyone that has good intentions should be able to post on the board without fear of being persecuted. Again, trust me, I get it; all of it. best regards

edited to add....I do agree with Jim R's post right above too......We all need to work together to send out correct information that has been fully verified, not only through an unknown email etc......

cfc1909 · #11 05-09-2011, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Your citing my original research (posted on this forum two years ago) regarding the correlation between the SWEET CAPORAL 150,
Factory 649 (overprint) subjects and their Brown HINDU counterparts. And, I realized at that time that the Nicholls card was the
exception to this correlation. As, Brian Weisner convinced me that a Brown HINDU card of Nicholls will not be found.

So, does a Nicholls card with the SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory 649 (overprint) back exist ?

At this point, I cannot say it exists or it does not exist. Perhaps, I imagined it several years ago when I put together this sub-set.
Or, perhaps it was an invalid data point in an independent 14,000 card survey. I can say from my experience, though, that several
subjects (e.g. McIntyre, Schlei, Spencer, Wagner, etc.) in this sub-set are considerably more difficult to find than the majority of
the other subjects.

In any event, I've labelled Nicholls as UNCERTAIN on my SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory 649 list. At the Chicago National this Summer,
I am getting together with an old buddy of mine on a deal, who is bringing his stock of 6,000+ T206's. Many of which are cards with
tougher backs. If this Nicholls card does exist, I expect that he may have one.

TED Z

Ted

First the work is not yours. The SC 649 34 card set is common knowledge, the Nicholls is a Reader confirmation and the Hindu parallel is also common knowledge. You add Nicholls to both lists and your contribution results in an inaccurate list.

We have to continue to listen to what you have accomplished which tells me how insecure you are about the set.
How can the Nicholls go from a card you own to UNCERTAIN on your SC 649 list?

Why wait until the National to see if your buddy has Nicholls 649? Look now and you will see he does not have it.

These backs lists were kept and added to by a group of t206 collectors. The lists were shared with you privately. You started posting them, to see if any could be added to, which is good until you started claiming the work as your own and boasting Mission Accomplished with adding cards on lists that do not exist. Also taking email confirmations with no proof which made most lists inaccurate.

You never state the lists were shared with you.I needed to post about this when collectors started posting they are trying to complete subsets and they are using your lists.

It is necessary for collectors to know your work is separate from any other work done at this point and has been for the past year or so. You have been pleaded with to change lists you are posting, with no results.

I had tried to keep this private but with lists continuing to be inaccurate, I saw no other option.

I'm sure this may look to some people like I'm making a big deal over one confirmation, but anyone that knows all the facts understands that it is a lot more than that. Some of these checklist took collectors years to put together and Ted was shared them, posted them, and claimed them as his own. No one spoke up as this was happening until now because he's ruining that work with confirmations like the Nicholls. It's not just the 649 list but many others as well.

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