Baby Got "Backs" T206

[mrvster]

hey guys

One more stab-

all factory cut/issued in packs should be on the master list:

brown lenox, lenox, drum , hindu , piedy's, piedy 42's sov(green and apple) , sweet cap, even brown lenox etc etc....

basically anything "inserted" into the accepted distribution methods, ie packs of pied, american beauty, etc. etc.....


SOME ERROR BACKS were inserted into packs(4 back/2 back/sheet numbers/ miscuts) etc, just a printer not paying attention....but these are "anomalies" and should be catagorized in a special "subset" like Leon also resonated, but included as a subset of regular issued backs(cards that where actually inserted into packs and purchased)...


another subset:

any "pre-production cards" NOT OFFICIALLY INSERTED INTO PACKS...imo brown om were definitely NOT inserted into packs, nor were blank backs, yellow browns, red overprint bars, real proofs with cross hatches, Leons overprint back, anything that can be differentiated as "HAND CUT" were taken either pre/post production not officially issued...
hence....a third "back subset"


TY COBB-


lets put this to rest......a totally different card...ALTHOUGH ULTRA RARE , NOT A T206....should NOT be included...





1) MASTER LIST(brown lenox, bl 460, uzit, drum, lenox black, hindu red, broadleaf 350, carolina b, hindu brown , piedy 42, cycle 460, ab 350 no frame, sov 460, ab 460, tolstoi then follow Tim, Jim, or Johns scarcity lists...17 down....

2) subset anomaly / miscuts / (factory issued)????POSSIBLE SUBSET


3) Any scraps(pre production/ handcut/ not issued via normal distribution methods)=

brown om

yellow browns

printers proofs

freaks

ect







THIS IS ONLY ONE MAN'S OPINION


Respectfully submitted and open to debate,


JOHN VANDERBECK

[wonkaticket]

Johnny,

I agree with you for the most part however with anomalies it would be an impossible list and the set would never end sort of like OJ a new one would be added every time almost. It’s just they are anomaly’s hence nor rhyme or reason or consistency.

The reason I count Brown Old Mill is with the exceptions of Leon’s and the two know legit over prints there is a rhyme and reason to “Brown” Old Mill Southern League cards. They are found on a consistent series of players and with a degree of consistency in the way they look and feel much like blank backs.

The others like I have in my set miscuts, mistrikes, printers freaks, factory sheet numbers etc and there are few others out there that folks aren’t aware of are just too hard to define IMO. How would one define them “Miscut Piedmont 60/40”, “Miscut Sweet Caporal 10/90” it’s just way to open to interpretation and the checklist could be infinite.

I could go for this type of list…..though…


T206 Basic Back Set:

• All Piedmonts
• All Sweet Caps
• All Sovereign
• All American Beauty’s
• All Cycles
• All Broadleaf’s
• All Hindu’s
• Old Mill Southern (Black)
• Old Mill
• Lenox
• Lenox (Brown)
• Polar Bear
• Tolstoi
• Uzit
• El Principe De Gales
• Drum
• Carolina Brights


T206 Master Back Set:

• All Piedmonts
• All Sweet Caps
• All Sovereign
• All American Beauty’s
• All Cycles
• All Broadleaf’s
• All Hindu’s
• Blank Back
• Old Mill Southern (Black)
• Old Mill Southern (Brown)
• Old Mill
• Lenox
• Lenox (Brown)
• Polar Bear
• Tolstoi
• Uzit
• El Principe De Gales
• Drum
• Carolina Brights

One could potentially add miscuts and oddities to his or her back sets as icing on the cake sort of how I see it.

But cool topic and I’m always open to new ways of looking at this set.

For arguments sake I left Ty Cobb off I leave that up to you guys.

Cheers,

John

[Abravefan11]

NM

[E93]

I might add that a controlling share (66.7%) of F.R. Penn Tobacco Co. in the form of common stock was purchased by ATC in 1904 and remained in ATC control until its dissolution in 1911, but covering the time period when the Ty Cobb brand card was issued. Thus, like all other T206s, the Ty Cobb brand card was issued in the T206 time period (1910 according to the date of ads and articles about it) by ATC as a giveaway to help advertise and stimulate sales of one of its tobacco brands.
JimB

[wonkaticket]

Very cool Jim, was not aware of that neat.

[mrvster]

John,

You have a great point! (about the anomalies, i'm just biased)!!

definitely something of a "fringe" type thing.....just no boundaries, they would have to be basic generalities(ie just split back, crop mark, sheet #, upside down, ), more unique collector(like you and me)......

i love the way you split the master set, thats a great way to look at it....and John, thanks for leaving off Cobb

Brown om are almost like an enigma to themselves, and i think could go either way....i have been more of the freak collector, Craig, Tim, Art, Dan, Jim, and so many others are fine tuned on the scarcity, i wish i just bought more back in the day, im kinda out....but scanning ebay for umpteen hours and auctions just some observations...

John,

I LOVE THIS POST!!

Peace

Johnny

[tedzan]

........... Factory 33 - 4th Dist. of N.C. ............


Factory #33 was located in Reidsville, North Carolina (F. R. Penn Tobacco Co.)



And, since some of us on this forum strongly feel that this Ty Cobb card should be classified as a T206, then it follows that the 68 cards
in the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) set should also be classified as T206's. The cards associated with both of these Tobacco brands fall under
the T206 rubric.






Note the quotation marks surrounding both the TY COBB and the COUPON brands. This is indicates that these two brands were brand new
American Tobacco Co. products in the Spring of 1910 and that their Trademark's were pending.

Some here will agree with these opinions, and others will differ.....and, that's fine.


TED Z

[caramelcard]

For you guys who collect shades of different back colors like sovereign's light green...there's two different distinct shades of Piedmont fact. 42. Collect those too?

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Note the quotation marks surrounding both the TY COBB and the COUPON brands. This is indicates that these two brands were brand new
American Tobacco Co. products in the Spring of 1910 and that their Trademark's were pending.

TED Z

The following article shows a relationship between Coupon cigarettes and The American Tobacco company before the spring of 1910 as well as the use of quotation marks surrounding the word Coupon.

August 6, 1908 Times Picayune New Orleans



The same contest was run again by ATC in August 1909 giving away either Coupon or Picayune cigarettes.