Baby Got "Backs" T206

[wonkaticket]

Very cool Jim, was not aware of that neat.

[mrvster]

John,

You have a great point! (about the anomalies, i'm just biased)!!

definitely something of a "fringe" type thing.....just no boundaries, they would have to be basic generalities(ie just split back, crop mark, sheet #, upside down, ), more unique collector(like you and me)......

i love the way you split the master set, thats a great way to look at it....and John, thanks for leaving off Cobb

Brown om are almost like an enigma to themselves, and i think could go either way....i have been more of the freak collector, Craig, Tim, Art, Dan, Jim, and so many others are fine tuned on the scarcity, i wish i just bought more back in the day, im kinda out....but scanning ebay for umpteen hours and auctions just some observations...

John,

I LOVE THIS POST!!

Peace

Johnny

[tedzan]

........... Factory 33 - 4th Dist. of N.C. ............


Factory #33 was located in Reidsville, North Carolina (F. R. Penn Tobacco Co.)



And, since some of us on this forum strongly feel that this Ty Cobb card should be classified as a T206, then it follows that the 68 cards
in the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) set should also be classified as T206's. The cards associated with both of these Tobacco brands fall under
the T206 rubric.






Note the quotation marks surrounding both the TY COBB and the COUPON brands. This is indicates that these two brands were brand new
American Tobacco Co. products in the Spring of 1910 and that their Trademark's were pending.

Some here will agree with these opinions, and others will differ.....and, that's fine.


TED Z

[caramelcard]

For you guys who collect shades of different back colors like sovereign's light green...there's two different distinct shades of Piedmont fact. 42. Collect those too?

[mrvster]

Robert,

GREAT POINT

[cfc1909]

The Sovereign Apple Green is only found on the 350-460 subjects, therefore a separate back. I have studied along with others and have not yet found that the different shades of Piedmont 42 come on certain subjects but do have examples of 2 different shades in my collection.

At this time I don't believe there are 2 colors of Piedmont 42 but just different degrees of ink applied.


edit-John-great back set and I feel fortunate to have viewed it in person.

[wonkaticket]

"For you guys who collect shades of different back colors like sovereign's light green...there's two different distinct shades of Piedmont fact. 42. Collect those too?"

I don’t think as of yet I would call these two color distinct color variations in regards to Piedmont Fact.42. In regards to Sovereign there is a distinct pattern that the “Apple” green shows up on and only those cards…but just in case….guilty as charged.

[Abravefan11]

Somebody should do a survey.

[cfc1909]

I just want to add that you probably are right about the Piedmont 42s. -I-we- just haven't figured it out yet. It does appear to be two colors.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Note the quotation marks surrounding both the TY COBB and the COUPON brands. This is indicates that these two brands were brand new
American Tobacco Co. products in the Spring of 1910 and that their Trademark's were pending.

TED Z

The following article shows a relationship between Coupon cigarettes and The American Tobacco company before the spring of 1910 as well as the use of quotation marks surrounding the word Coupon.

August 6, 1908 Times Picayune New Orleans



The same contest was run again by ATC in August 1909 giving away either Coupon or Picayune cigarettes.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

The following article shows a relationship between Coupon cigarettes and The American Tobacco company before the spring of 1910 as well as the use of quotation marks surrounding the word Coupon.

August 6, 1908 Times Picayune New Orleans



The same contest was run again by ATC in August 1909 giving away either Coupon or Picayune cigarettes.

Tim,

If you're going to continue to contribute solid facts instead of opinions represented as facts, well, you'd better just leave.

Seriously, interesting info for anyone who's paying attention.

[wonkaticket]

Wow Tim, great item that does put some light on the subject huh?

[tedzan]

The W. R Irby Branch (New Orleans, LA) introduced their COUPON tobacco brand in 1908. However, it's my understanding that this brand was not
an American Tobacco Company (ATC) Trademark till sometime after the T213-1 cards (circa Spring 1910) were issued.


........................... 1910 .................................................. .......... 1914 .................................................. ............ 1919




The F. R. Penn Tobacco Co. was located in Reidsville, North Carolina (Factory #33). The F. R. Penn Tobacco Co. was purchased by ATC in 1911.



........... Factory 33 - 4th Dist. of N.C. ............................................... Feb/Mar 1910




The "PIRATE" brand cigarettes were produced in Bristol & London, England and the T215 type cards were inserted in them (circa 1912).





For more info on this "PIRATE" issue, check-out this thread.......

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...5+pirate+cards



TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The F. R. Penn Tobacco Co. was purchased by ATC in 1911.

TED Z

ATC purchased F.R. Penn in 1903.

If I'm understanding the timeline correctly the former F.R. Penn Tobacco Company was replaced by the newly incorporated F.R. Penn Tobacco Company in September 1903. The purpose of this reincorporation was to partner with The American Tobacco Company and have them be the majority shareholder. The F.R. Penn Tobacco Company continued to be run as a separate company from the trust and ATC attempted to keep their controlling interest a secret. In 1911 when the trust was broken into several companies F.R. Penn was taken over by the new smaller American Tobacco Company.

There are board members that know a lot more about this subject than I do and maybe they'll have something to add or correct anything I missed.