Baby Got "Backs" T206

[wonkaticket]

"For you guys who collect shades of different back colors like sovereign's light green...there's two different distinct shades of Piedmont fact. 42. Collect those too?"

I don’t think as of yet I would call these two color distinct color variations in regards to Piedmont Fact.42. In regards to Sovereign there is a distinct pattern that the “Apple” green shows up on and only those cards…but just in case….guilty as charged.

[Abravefan11]

Somebody should do a survey.

[cfc1909]

I just want to add that you probably are right about the Piedmont 42s. -I-we- just haven't figured it out yet. It does appear to be two colors.

[Blunder19]

I guess the question would be which is rarer.. the lighter blue or the darker blue.. I would guess the darker.. all pied 42's I have seen have been lighter..

Jamie

[caramelcard]

Hi Jim,

Wouldn't both the lighter shades of Sovereigns and Piedmonts be found with certain groups of players because those players were on the same sheets where the ink was applied lighter? Kind of like T210-3 "orange" borders. The orange color was not purposeful. I won't pretend to be an expert on the printing process, but I've always assumed it was more of a quality control issue. Been wrong before though.

Rob

[tedzan]

The lighter shade of green SOVEREIGN backs is well defined with respect to the fronts. Whereas in the PIEDMONT 460/42 case the lighter vs the darker
blue backs appears to be random.

There are 66 subjects that were printed with the lighter shade of green in the SOVEREIGN situation. These 66 will not be found with the normal (darker)
green that all the other SOVEREIGN cards were printed with. As it happens to be, 61 of these subjects are the ones that American Litho. extended into
what we have identified as the 350/460 series.

Some of the HOFer's in this series..................................



......350 Series common............................\/........................................Some more HOFer's in this series........................................\/





Of the 66 subjects with the lighter green backs....Joe Doyle, Simon Nicholls, and Bob Rhoades were not extended into the 350/460 series. Apparently,
since their Major League careers had ended prior to the printing of the 460 series.
Red Kleinow (NY) and Frank Smith (Chicago) were printed in the 350/460 series, reflecting their trades to Boston (AL).





List of the lighter green backs in the SOVEREIGN set........66 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (arms over head)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (NY-catching)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rucker (bat)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago-white cap)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)


Art Martineau and Jim Rivera first pointed out this color phenomena to me. Having a completed an all-SOVEREIGN set (and having many duplicates),
I was able to specifically identify these 66 cards with this color difference.


TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Ted, are you sure that Sovereign set you always talk about is complete? I’m not so sure.

Also perhaps while you relive your accomplishments on this set you can update your lists that you constantly bump up to be correct for others.

“Regarding my Consolidated T206 lists”
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=136704

Here are two quick and easy found mistakes.

I see you still have Doc White Port. listed as a Sov350 no print?

You were notified that Doc White existed in Sov350 and sold on eBay in 2009 (Post #52) on 10-19-2010 within this thread below.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...light=insights

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...icago-79662085

Ted you acknowledge on 10-20-2010 Doc White and claim to own the card and have added an example to your set (Post #55), yet Ted you have yet to update the list from 7-3-2010 to reflect this FYI.

Ted you have reposted the same list on 5-10-2011 and have still yet to remove Doc White from the Sov350 No-Print list FYI.

Now the next card, in 2007 a Rube Waddell Port Sov350 SGC 40 sold.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...vereign-sgc-40

You still have Waddell Port. listed along with Doc White Port. listed as No-Prints in Sovereign list (Post #9) to date FYI.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=125041

John