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Old 06-25-2011, 02:59 PM
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We appreciate your interest and look forward to an aggressive buying season in 2011-2012
Lacking sophistication and uber-wealth, the "buying season" is apparently based on some sort of fiscal year that I am unaware of....HELP!
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Bruce- it's not difficult to determine the total amount of money spent at any given auction, that information is public. But if auction house XYZ sells $1 million worth of cards in their spring sale, how do you know if 100, 200, 300 or more bidders won lots? And how do you know who spent 100K and who bought one $300 card? I know you can extrapolate some information, but I can't imagine it's all that accurate. It's reasonable speculation at best.
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See this behavior is why you are still single and have no children

I am quite proud of what I am at this point in my life and some bald flabby old dude like you won't really change my mind. My choice on where to attend college was the right one. I chose it over another top university in Washington University in St. Louis because I knew I could succeed whilst having a life at the same time. Sure, you succeeded, but you have no life, no children. Just you and your cardboard.

You sir still have no mark on history. You will be in no encyclopedia, not even wikipedia (unless you or someone you pay sets it up), and will not be featured by any sort of prominent group/organization to be remembered.

Since I am not a materialistic jackass, I don't care where my collection goes. I collect for fun and to buy things I think are cool, not to prove I am better than everyone else.
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Old 06-25-2011, 06:00 PM
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Since you managed to get into college, and hope to earn a degree in business, you should get your facts straight before making stupid comments.

Of course, if you choose not to get the facts straight before you speak, you may have a great career as a Mass. Democratic congressmen.

On another note, it appears that it is you who has the ego problem. When and if we die(knew you'd love that) we don't care what happens. In the interim, whilst we are very much alive, we are far and away the happiest, and for that matter, most secure person we know.

As the old 1960's song said, come back when you grow up girl, you're still living in a paper doll world. In the interest of the Board, we should terminate this discussion, but do feel free to write to us directly.

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As somebody who has been behind the scenes at a number of high end auctions I can tell you that Bruce's numbers are high, especially in the current market. A number of the big spenders from a few years ago are no longer active.

There are maybe a handful of people who spend $1 million a year. While they might spend a million dollars a year, they are selling alot as well to finance that buying habit or are dealers who are selling for more money than they are spending. They are not dumping a million a year into the hobby and sitting on the stuff.

The typical big catalog auction mailing list is probably about 5,000. There are probably about 500 active bidders in an auction and 100-200 winners. Those numbers would probably be an average.

That $100 million in sales is actually about $50-$60 million. Many "sales" are not really "sales" at all.

I would revise Bruce's numbers to read

"There are about 200 people who spend at least $10,000 a year (in high value items) 100 who spend $50,000 a year or more and 30-40 folks who spend $100,000 a year or more. To the best our knowledge there are 5 dealers/collectors who spend in excess of a million dollars a year."
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As somebody who has been behind the scenes at a number of high end auctions I can tell you that Bruce's numbers are high, especially in the current market. A number of the big spenders from a few years ago are no longer active.

There are maybe a handful of people who spend $1 million a year. While they might spend a million dollars a year, they are selling alot as well to finance that buying habit or are dealers who are selling for more money than they are spending. They are not dumping a million a year into the hobby and sitting on the stuff.

The typical big catalog auction mailing list is probably about 5,000. There are probably about 500 active bidders in an auction and 100-200 winners. Those numbers would probably be an average.

That $100 million in sales is actually about $50-$60 million. Many "sales" are not really "sales" at all.

I would revise Bruce's numbers to read

"There are about 200 people who spend at least $10,000 a year (in high value items) 100 who spend $50,000 a year or more and 30-40 folks who spend $100,000 a year or more. To the best our knowledge there are 5 dealers/collectors who spend in excess of a million dollars a year."

And Brucii just told me to get my facts straight. Thanks for the info man!

Bruce, the CURRENT Boston College basketball coach took your Ivy league team to the ELITE EIGHT.

Get your facts straight

With deep regards for your personal health and well being,

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Whilst we are very much alive, we are far and away the happiest, and for that matter, most secure person we know.
Putting aside that they admit they are a person (singular), can someone who is considing the insecurity of the people he knows be, at the same time, the most secure person he knows? I think this could only be true if the only person he knows was himself, which means he is also the most insecure person he knows.

I wrote a lot more about how much I dislike his posts, but I erased it because what's the point.....?
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Sure, you succeeded, but you have no life, no children. Just you and your cardboard.
Succeeded? We only have Bruce's word for that. Try Googling him. Basically, you'll find nothing. Not much evidence of any kind of "success."
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Bruce - when u kick the bucket, where does your collection go?

Not being smart, just curious. I wonder what the big cheese do with their collections when the party is over? Ya know the percent that give to their kids, the percent who have it go straight to an auction house for the miss's to cash in on, etc.

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Bruce - when u kick the bucket, where does your collection go?
Has to much cash to die.

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Bruce - when u kick the bucket, where does your collection go?
Men with that ego and sense of superiority probably think they never will kick the bucket. Despite this, he is just like the rest of us No one cares about his collection now, it has made no imprint on history, and no one will remember him or the things he possessed once his life on this earth is done.
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I think the number of bidders is much too high at 25,000. I would guess that if you collated all of the bidder lists from these various auction houses the number of different bidders/winners would be much more in the 5,000 range and perhaps as low as 2,500 different people on lots over $1,000.
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I'm confused...of the 500 people who spend $10K a year, how many of them are Bruce?

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No one cares about his collection now, it has made no imprint on history, and no one will remember him or the things he possessed once his life on this earth is done.
Well said, and true indeed.
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Old 06-27-2011, 06:41 PM
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We are particularly amused by the comments that "no one cares."

Funny, how we have hundreds of active business clients around the world.

On the hobby front,we hear regularly from four major
museums, not to mention the wealthiest collectors,
and the top dealers in the country.

As far a mark history, we're not interested in leaving one...of course
we could never hope to be voted the most unpopular physics professor
in the country or become infamous for card altering, auction fixing,
or defrauding customers.

If no one really cares about our what we have to say, why do our posts consistently generate 4x as many replies as all the others? We are far too busy to pay attention to postings, tweets or people that do not matter to us.

We think it is time to leave well enough alone, and close this thread.

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We are far too busy to pay attention to postings, tweets or people that do not matter to us.
And yet you reply to every single one!
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