Hey Big Spender

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Kind of hypocritical to complain about it when he wished to read my obituary a couple of years back...the only reason I gave him a "yes" vote was sympathy for him...I don't know how ill he is/was, but it sounded like he had some major issues and I thought perhaps Net54 would be good therapy, but he just can't seem to shake the elitist attitude that initiates the flame wars. And for a guy who loves to talk about the empires and collection that he's built you'd think he could spring for a scanner or digital camera and show us something once in a while instead of constantly reminding us how "elite" it is.

Dan totally agree Bruce can be a rough individual to deal with, he comes off way over the top. Bruce has also said some pretty amazing stuff that are serious WTF moments. Heck I also got threatened to be sued back in the day too. LOL

I hear you about hypocrisy Dan but let’s also talk about naivety for a moment.

You guys Leon and you both gave Bruce the boot awhile back for these very things you and others here complain about. Yet Bruce has been Bruce and will always be Bruce but you let him come back Dan.

Then you act all shocked or ticked off that he’s back in the mix with elitist comments and social economic baseball card speculative whale watching threads.

This train wreck as well as any others here that are sure to come from Bruce is as much on the mods hands as any members.

Let’s face it you know these guys are going to take shots at Bruce and you know Bruce is going to shoot back and as Barry says….here we go again….

Just my two cents here; I get my chops busted when I have disagreements with board members who are willingly messing with known hobby information and passing on bogus hobby information to our members all of which is on topic BTW and get told to play nice.

However letting a guy back in who both of you darn well know has history of having knock down drag outs that have very little to do with the original post well is exactly what you mentioned hypocritical.

Dan the only thing that is more hypocritical than Bruce crying foul over nasty comments Dan, is moderators who let him back in at some point rolling into a thread after letting him back knowing who Bruce is and saying “come on guys back on topic, and play nice.”

On a plus side his threads do get some view counts and posts….al of which is why Bruce lights everyone’s fires and pushes everyone’s buttons IMO.

Cheers,

John

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Dan totally agree Bruce can be a rough individual to deal with, he comes off way over the top. Bruce has also said some pretty amazing stuff that are serious WTF moments. Heck I also got threatened to be sued back in the day too. LOL

I hear you about hypocrisy Dan but let’s also talk about naivety for a moment.

You guys Leon and you both gave Bruce the boot awhile back for these very things you and others here complain about. Yet Bruce has been Bruce and will always be Bruce but you let him come back Dan.

Then you act all shocked or ticked off that he’s back in the mix with elitist comments and social economic baseball card speculative whale watching threads.

This train wreck as well as any others here that are sure to come from Bruce is as much on the mods hands as any members.

Let’s face it you know these guys are going to take shots at Bruce and you know Bruce is going to shoot back and as Barry says….here we go again….

Just my two cents here; I get my chops busted when I have disagreements with board members who are willingly messing with known hobby information and passing on bogus hobby information to our members all of which is on topic BTW and get told to play nice.

However letting a guy back in who both of you darn well know has history of having knock down drag outs that have very little to do with the original post well is exactly what you mentioned hypocritical.

Dan the only thing that is more hypocritical than Bruce crying foul over nasty comments Dan, is moderators who let him back in at some point rolling into a thread after letting him back knowing who Bruce is and saying “come on guys back on topic, and play nice.”

On a plus side his threads do get some view counts and posts….al of which is why Bruce lights everyone’s fires and pushes everyone’s buttons IMO.

Cheers,

John

As someone who watched his father die from cancer call me a softy for someone who I thought was very ill and could benefit from participating in Net54...if that makes me a hypocrite so be it.

[Ejm1]

Let's all be friends and make nice,Bruce can mingle with his own species. This will be difficult since Howard Hughes, Leona Helmsley and Aristotle Onassis are dead but I'm sure he has lots of other friends than us peasant lower 90% collectors.

We find it remarkable that so many who don't care about what we say care to comment.

Even more remarkable are those who want to legislate their own rules. We responded to a comment about death- and responded to a question very few of you would have the guts to answer honestly.

John's sarcastic comments and cartoons are accepted as fair play, but if one does not agree with John or appears to be elitist then it presents a problem.
Tell us John, are you, in fact, not the owner of a substantial collection, what kind of car do you drive, and do you give more than 20% of your income to the poor? We think not

The Board is a great source for information, but to deny the hobby is still a business, and there is rarely an article, a trade magazine and certainly auction that does focus on value.

We have as much right to our elitist views as you do to be a liberal Democrat, a conservative Republican, a Red Sox fan, a Rockies fan, a born again Christian, a Muslim a Jew or a transvestite.

Whilst we greatly appreciate the overwhelming support that we have received on the Board and privately, we do wonder why some pretty advanced collectors fear controversy and change.

Remember the famous quote " I am all for progress, it is just that I am against."

We are for change and discussion. That is only way we learn from one another.


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List
bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[wonkaticket]

Bruce,

I think you are missing something here? If anything I was defending you Bruce.

I thought the shots about you kicking the bucket. As well as the comments about you disappearing from the face of the earth with nobody missing you or knowing you were here were way below the belt. I also find it odd that Dan’s last comment was to bring you back as form of therapy or help for you. If by therapy Dan means as a moderator to allow folks to take personal nasty pot shots at you because you "deserve it"…then therapy it is I guess. Perhaps tough love?

Now you come in here spouting if I give to the poor or what kind of car I drive….really? Bruce I’m not going to waste my time telling you about my finances or justify how they are positioned. Nor is it any of your business, carry on with your assumptions.

As for my collection the only reason you or anyone is aware of anything regarding my collection. Is I have spent years here sharing just a fraction of my collection. Which now in many ways I regret and will refrain from doing in the future on Net54 as it’s clearly not appreciated.

Bruce I wish you continued enjoyment with your window watching of successful people. Don’t let little ol’ me stand in the way of talking about important collectors and their spending habits.

Cheers,

John

[T206.org]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

As for my collection the only reason you or anyone is aware of anything regarding my collection. Is I have spent years here sharing just a fraction of my collection. Which now in many ways I regret and will refrain from doing in the future on Net54 as it’s clearly not appreciated.

I very much appreciate seeing whatever items you decide to share from your collection. Please don't refrain from posting in the future.

[Wite3]

I have no problem with the original post but there are some problems with the tone and attitude that comes after.

The original post might be close but an educated "guess" is still a "guess." I also see that it does not allow for the auction houses that spend money on items to sell at a later date. I think your number might be a little inflated as Scott has said but not wildly off. I do think that as people come to the hobby and leave the hobby, the high end will be just that. Top percentage of all total collectors, precise number does not really matter.

As to Bruce himself, he is a total ass. In the past the threats, disgusting remarks about my profession and family, the awful language, and the attitude were just unbearable. No apology ever given to me or others. No sign of regret. Nothing. And all I did to deserve this? I asked Bruce why an obviously intelligent man would refer to himself in the third person?

Ask Bruce why he give money to the poor? He has said many times that the poor are "scum" and don't deserve charity. He does it as a tax break, pure and simple. Just an example of the type of guy he is.

And Bruce, the level of education and where you went to school have nothing to do with being a classy, educated, and intelligent member of society. It has to do with geography. As many people can point out, it is what you put into your education and how you approach it as opposed to what grades you got and where you went. Obviously you put effort to get where you are, lots of academic effort. If you put even a fourth of that towards becoming a better person, learning some tact, and being thankful for what you have been given you might be even more successful (yes, given...I am far more impressed with the kid that went to a junior college, started his own business, and worked it up into a successful and happy enterprise than someone who took other people's money and made more money...nothing into something trumps (pun intended) something into more something in my book).

Joshua Levine

[jmoran19]

"We have as much right to our elitist views as you do to be a liberal Democrat, a conservative Republican, a Red Sox fan, a Rockies fan, a born again Christian, a Muslim a Jew or a transvestite.

That's it, gloves are off now. Candy Denver Colorado

Whilst we have no need to respond to your child-like remarks, and you are free to call anybody anything you want, we do wonder when you were able to acquire our tax records.

We believe you are liable to purge yourself (if you know what that means)
with your allegations about tax deductions.

Should we decide to collect assholes in the future, we will be sure to add an autographed photo of yours to our collection.

As you will note, we have not threatened our attacked anyone, and unlike your emotionally immature comments, we have neither provided an opinion about character or called anyone by an insulting name.

Enjoy your day. Happy Collecting.