What mgrs/exec's/umps would you consider future HOFers?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

As a manager? Absolutely, assuming that you are going to penalize the players he managed too. Is that enough to derail him? I don't know. He managed a long time, successfully, before steroids were much of an issue. We've had variants of this discussion before, and rules are rules, even if they're unwritten, correct?

So what should Torre have done? Refused to pitch Clemens; refused to play Giambi? Gone to management or the Commissioner? had a heart to heart with Rog? Resigned? These do not seem realistic options to me. I would not punish managers for their players' offenses.

[Kenny Cole]

Peter,

You're right. Doing nothing is the answer. Profiting from your players' crimes
is OK. Blame them and them only because, somehow, there's a difference
between doing steroids and knowing about it and doing nothing. Guilty
knowledge doesn't matter at all. Just ask Buck Weaver.

[mcadams]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So what should Torre have done? Refused to pitch Clemens; refused to play Giambi? Gone to management or the Commissioner? had a heart to heart with Rog? Resigned? These do not seem realistic options to me. I would not punish managers for their players' offenses.

Yes, he should have done all of the things you mentioned. Of all the great attributes Torre possesses, he obviously didn't have the Courage to get in the middle of this issue. If he had, perhaps the problem would have been solved much earlier. He had the bully pulpit to force MLBs hand on this issue, but he chose not to. But hey, no one else did either....other than Jose Canseco who history may vindicate.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by mcadams

Yes, he should have done all of the things you mentioned. Of all the great attributes Torre possesses, he obviously didn't have the Courage to get in the middle of this issue. If he had, perhaps the problem would have been solved much earlier. He had the bully pulpit to force MLBs hand on this issue, but he chose not to. But hey, no one else did either....other than Jose Canseco who history may vindicate.

History will never vindicate Jose Canseco.

He's like the guy who organized the bank robbery, recruited the gang, led the guns into the bank, was first to enter the safe and drove the getaway car.

When he notices he's not quite getting as much credit as the rest of his crew, he goes to the police........tells them they were only good because he taught them all the best secrets of how to rob a bank. He then, writes a tell all book about it, naming names and explaining how he introduced each one of the characters in his life, into this life of crime.

Jose is no hero.