O/T - All Star game

Anthony S. · #1 07-13-2011, 11:40 AM

Wilson isn't flashing a gang sign, he's making a cross with his arms and looking up toward heaven, ie at his dad, who died when Wilson was in high school. His dad was in the Air Force, which is why Wilson funded a couple of Air Force Academy scholarships starting this year. http://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/the-...122865134.html

For what it's worth, he also gave out a 1000 gloves this past weekend to needy kids (his idea) and conducted a Q and A period with the kids afterwards. Sorry you don't approve of his facial hair.

asoriano · #2 07-13-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony S.

Wilson isn't flashing a gang sign, he's making a cross with his arms and looking up toward heaven, ie at his dad, who died when Wilson was in high school. His dad was in the Air Force, which is why Wilson funded a couple of Air Force Academy scholarships starting this year. http://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/the-...122865134.html

For what it's worth, he also gave out a 1000 gloves this past weekend to needy kids (his idea) and conducted a Q and A period with the kids afterwards. Sorry you don't approve of his facial hair.

+1

My thoughts exactly.

vintagetoppsguy · #3 07-13-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony S.

Wilson isn't flashing a gang sign, he's making a cross with his arms and looking up toward heaven, ie at his dad, who died when Wilson was in high school. His dad was in the Air Force, which is why Wilson funded a couple of Air Force Academy scholarships starting this year. http://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/the-...122865134.html

For what it's worth, he also gave out a 1000 gloves this past weekend to needy kids (his idea) and conducted a Q and A period with the kids afterwards. Sorry you don't approve of his facial hair.

I didn't know that about his dad, but another board member sent me a PM and told me it was also a tribute to his dad. It looked more like an "X" to me, but I suppose it could have been a cross. I'm sorry that he lost his dad so early in life. However, here is the bottom line. Closing games is Wilson�s JOB. That�s what he gets paid to do. Every time I do something good at my job, I don�t make hand signs and/or pay tribute to anybody. I may get a pat on the back, but I�m only doing my job. And another thing, if I showed up to my job looking like Brian Wilson, I really think I would be (and should be) fired. His appearance is not professional � not at most companies and certainly not for Major League Baseball.

As far as Fielder goes, do you really think he could get a decent job in the real world with all those tattoos? Not hardly.

asoriano · #4 07-13-2011, 12:25 PM

I guess you wouldn't be too fond of Peter Moylan either:

quinnsryche · #5 07-13-2011, 12:30 PM

David, I'm not a fan of tattoos either, but don't single out Fielder. Josh Hamilton, Yadier Molina, Jon Rauch (just off the top of my head) all have tattoos and many others (in all sports). I think it's just the times we live in. Tattoos are a part of mainstream society, like it or not. Weird beards and strange facial hair are part of it too. What about Rollie Fingers? That's about the strangest facial hair in the last hundred years and nobody says anything other than "cool". Steinbrenner wouldn't allow facial hair until Reggie came along, then Gossage, Martin, Munson etc. all had 'em. It's just sports, enjoy the game and enjoy the characters that go along with it (Bill "Spaceman" Lee, Al "The Mad Hungarian" Hrabosky, Steve "Psycho" Lyons, Mark "The Bird" Fidrych, Bill Veeck, Rick "Rain Delay" Dempsey et al). Just my 2 cents.

Robextend · #6 07-13-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

As far as Fielder goes, do you really think he could get a decent job in the real world with all those tattoos? Not hardly.

Why should Prince or Brian Wilson care about real world jobs? Both guys are great for the sport...both charismatic, friendly, and do a lot for their communities. Why does anyone care about facial hair and tats? Seems a bit ridiculous to me…

vintagetoppsguy · #7 07-13-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Robextend

Why should Prince or Brian Wilson care about real world jobs? Both guys are great for the sport...both charismatic, friendly, and do a lot for their communities. Why does anyone care about facial hair and tats? Seems a bit ridiculous to me�

I care because it is a disrespect to Major League Baseball. Most professional companies have guidelines regarding personal appearance. That's just a fact. Rob, here's a question. No matter how qualified, do you think these guys could get a job at your company looking they way they do? I'm guessing probably not. Why should MLB be any different?

Robextend · #8 07-13-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I care because it is a disrespect to Major League Baseball. Most professional companies have guidelines regarding personal appearance. That's just a fact. Rob, here's a question. No matter how qualified, do you think these guys could get a job at your company looking they way they do? I'm guessing probably not. Why should MLB be any different?

Every profession is different, and every position within that profession is different as well. Where I work in my department you have to be clean cut, but the guys in my mailroom have earrings, and have tats exposed all over the place and it is accepted. They have been at the company a long time and make pretty good money.

If Brian Wilson or Prince Fielder were in construction, I doubt they would have to change anything.

vintagetoppsguy · #9 07-13-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robextend

Every profession is different, and every position within that profession is different as well. Where I work in my department you have to be clean cut, but the guys in my mailroom have earrings, and have tats exposed all over the place and it is accepted. They have been at the company a long time and make pretty good money.

If Brian Wilson or Prince Fielder were in construction, I doubt they would have to change anything.

Rob, you proved my point though. I work for an offshore engineering company in Houston. I, too, am expected to project a professional appearance. However, the guys in the mailroom and office services have tats and earrings, but those aren't "professional" jobs. Construction is a profession, but is not a "professional" occupation. IMO, MLB is a professional company and their employees should maintain an appearance of any other professional company.

In other words, in the real world, Wilson and Fielder would have mailroom or construction type jobs - not that there is anything wrong with that. They wouldn't have professional jobs because of their appearance. Why should it be different with MLB - a professional company?

ChiefBenderForever · #10 07-13-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I care because it is a disrespect to Major League Baseball. Most professional companies have guidelines regarding personal appearance. That's just a fact. Rob, here's a question. No matter how qualified, do you think these guys could get a job at your company looking they way they do? I'm guessing probably not. Why should MLB be any different?

Many professional companies are prejiduce but many are not, if qualifed, yes they would be able to get a job at most Fortune 500 companies as the 1980's are long gone.

Piratedogcardshows · #11 07-13-2011, 02:49 PM

Since i have very extensive tattooing i feel a bit put off by this whole talk about discriminating based on appearance.I also choose to have a beard.I consider myself a good person and i do hold a professional job.Just because people look different that doesnt mean they are less of a person,man,or human being than someone who looks "conservative".Scumbags come in all forms not just bearded and tattooed.Other than that the All Star Game has become a joke i agree.Jason Wells

vintagetoppsguy · #12 07-13-2011, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefBenderForever

Many professional companies are prejiduce but many are not, if qualifed, yes they would be able to get a job at most Fortune 500 companies as the 1980's are long gone.

It's not a matter of being prejiduce or not. It's a matter of companies wanting to project a professional appearance to their clients. I disagree with your statement. I think most Fortune 500 companies would not hire someone covered in tattoos regardless of their qualifications (especially in this job market). Yes, the '80s are long gone, but presenting a professional appearance is still very much a part of business. And no, tattoos do not project a professional appearance.

For the record I have a scorpion tattoo on my upper right arm - something I did 15 years ago in my younger days. However, it can not be seen even with a short sleeve shirt. This is not just about tattoos, it is about projecting a professional appearance whether it's tattoos, a beard that looks like a bird's nest or a mohawk haircut.

ErikV · #13 07-13-2011, 01:05 PM

I posted this in the watercooler section of the board
yesterday and got a couple of responses. I guess I'll
chime in here as well.

Every year around this time I get a bit conflicted about the
All-Star break. With a 4-day Fanfest and the Home Run Derby,
the All-Star Game itself is now just a backdrop to baseball
seasons' half-way point. The baseball establishment says the
game is an exhibition for the fans, but as a purist, I'm almost
sickened by the entire spectacle.

My 11 year old son is captivated by All-Star week and as a
way to bond with him, I watched the start of the Home Run
Derby yesterday. The ESPN pre-contest show focused on the
homerun in baseball. In interviewing former players like Johnny
Bench and Joe Torre these former stars commented how back in
their playing days one wouldn't dare admire watching a homerun
or strut around the bases after hitting a homerun. In essence,
former players would be showing up the pitcher by doing this.

All of this has changed. Now, with a sense of entitlement,
homeruns are hit and you have to watch players egos blow up
until they're done celebrating. I think that's why Barry Bonds
was so hated. Ozzie Guillen summed up today's view pretty
well during the pre-contest by saying each player who hits a
homerun should be able to watch "their" homerun without
consequence.

Long forgotten are the days when players would take great
pride playing in an All-Star Game. Now, players such as Derek
Jeter refused to play in the All-Star Game so he could give
himself extra time to recover from his recent stint in the disabled
list!

Due to the All-Star Game getting out of just being a just a big
game of graba$$, the Commissioner had to act a few years back
and put some incentive back into the game, so the All-Star Games
"really counts."

I don't really care anymore who wins the All-Star Game, nor who
plays in it. I think the whole thing is redicilious and the joke is
on the fans. Thanks for letting me vent.

ErikV

byrone · #14 07-13-2011, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErikV

I posted this in the watercooler section of the board
yesterday and got a couple of responses. I guess I'll
chime in here as well.

Every year around this time I get a bit conflicted about the
All-Star break. With a 4-day Fanfest and the Home Run Derby,
the All-Star Game itself is now just a backdrop to baseball
seasons' half-way point. The baseball establishment says the
game is an exhibition for the fans, but as a purist, I'm almost
sickened by the entire spectacle.

My 11 year old son is captivated by All-Star week and as a
way to bond with him, I watched the start of the Home Run
Derby yesterday. The ESPN pre-contest show focused on the
homerun in baseball. In interviewing former players like Johnny
Bench and Joe Torre these former stars commented how back in
their playing days one wouldn't dare admire watching a homerun
or strut around the bases after hitting a homerun. In essence,
former players would be showing up the pitcher by doing this.

All of this has changed. Now, with a sense of entitlement,
homeruns are hit and you have to watch players egos blow up
until they're done celebrating. I think that's why Barry Bonds
was so hated. Ozzie Guillen summed up today's view pretty
well during the pre-contest by saying each player who hits a
homerun should be able to watch "their" homerun without
consequence.

Long forgotten are the days when players would take great
pride playing in an All-Star Game. Now, players such as Derek
Jeter refused to play in the All-Star Game so he could give
himself extra time to recover from his recent stint in the disabled
list!

Due to the All-Star Game getting out of just being a just a big
game of graba$$, the Commissioner had to act a few years back
and put some incentive back into the game, so the All-Star Games
"really counts."

I don't really care anymore who wins the All-Star Game, nor who
plays in it. I think the whole thing is redicilious and the joke is
on the fans. Thanks for letting me vent.

ErikV

If I'm a pitcher and a guy admires a HR off me, he gets drilled next pitch.

Simple as that

Scott Garner · #15 07-13-2011, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by byrone

If I'm a pitcher and a guy admires a HR off me, he gets drilled next pitch.

Simple as that

+1 The batter gets the 'ol bowtie the next time he comes up

Scott Garner · #16 07-13-2011, 08:03 PM

I thought I would share some of the thoughts that I had about the 2011 All Star Game while watching it on Tuesday:

- As previously stated, the Sunday "no pitch rule" really handcuffed the AL in terms of not fielding our best starting pitching. I truly believe that the game was over before the 1st pitch was thrown. The NL was represented by nothing but A++ starters, the cream of the NL crop...

- When I was younger I genuinely looked forward to watching the All Star game. Getting to see the major leagues' best on one field was always amazing to me. I have personally attended 4 All Star games in person; 1989 at Anaheim (yes this game was awesome, but everybody failed to mention that Nolan Ryan also got the win in this game, which was extra special for a die hard Angels fan), 1992 at San Diego, 1997 at Cleveland and 2010 at Anaheim. I thoroughly enjoyed the first 3, but 2010 was somewhat of a snorefest...

- Having the actual All Star game start at 8:30 EST is rough for people that live in the eastern time zone and have to work the next day. It's not unusual for these games to end near midnight...

- Is it just me, or has interleague play completely eliminated the uniqueness of the All Star game?

I look forward to hearing from the rest of you have to say about some of my comments....

Brendan · #17 07-13-2011, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

- Having the actual All Star game start at 8:30 EST is rough for people that live in the eastern time zone and have to work the next day. It's not unusual for these games to end near midnight...

And what about the people in the Pacific time zone? A good percentage of people are not home from work before 5:30.

celoknob · #18 07-13-2011, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brendan

And what about the people in the Pacific time zone? A good percentage of people are not home from work before 5:30.

Especially all those "non-professionals" with tatoos and body piercings.

Scott Garner · #19 07-13-2011, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brendan

And what about the people in the Pacific time zone? A good percentage of people are not home from work before 5:30.

Brendan,
I hear you as I grew up in So Cal, but there has to be a happy medium.
Play the game on the weekend, flip-flop the viewing time so that the east and west are at an equal disadvantage as far as viewing times.

I do realize that this all boils down to advertising bucks and what works best for the people that pay for the ads as far as viewer participation....

sox1903wschamp · #20 07-13-2011, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

- Is it just me, or has interleague play completely eliminated the uniqueness of the All Star game?

This sums it up. Don't think I have watched an All Star game since they went to interleague.

HercDriver · #21 07-13-2011, 10:48 PM

How does Wilson fund AF Academy scholarships? The Academy is free.

Cheers,
Geno

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