ALERT....Re-fronted (re-backed) Green Cobb with a Red HINDU back at the National

[tedzan]

The source of the "inside info" regarding this particular Cobb card asked me not to reveal his name or the details of it.
He is a very well-respected person in the hobby who has some very interesting knowledge on the history of this card.

Anyhow, it's my understanding, that there are others in the hobby who also know of the details and may chime in here.


TED Z

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The source of the "inside info" regarding this particular Cobb card asked me not to reveal his name or the details of it.
He is a very well-respected person in the hobby who has some very interesting knowledge on the history of this card.

Anyhow, it's my understanding, that there are others in the hobby who also know of the details and may chime in here.


TED Z

Ted Z-

This is a frustrating thing- it's like "why bring it up then?"

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

I stand corrected on my earlier post in this thread. I received a phone call today telling me the card in question has potential dubious beginnings and is not trustworthy. I did not know this before today. The card is most likely not good and the person who bought it from REA has been apprised of the situation. I don't really know any more details that are firm so that is all I will say for now. I feel it important to correct myself when I find new information out. I learn something new everyday. regards

[tedzan]

Reflections of CASABLANCA

Bogart to Paul Henreid and Ingrid Bergman in the final scenes......

Rick says......"Here are the letters of transit"

Victor Laszlo....."Thanks. I appreciate it.

Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will prevail."


Leon.....welcome to the this red Cobb "skeptics club"


Best regards,

TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Leon, how did you not know this card had dubious beginnings prior to today? I'm more than OK with you changing your position based on new information you may have received privately but you certainly knew the controversy and about the suspected dubios origins prior to today. You did read this thread prior to posting your original thoughts correct?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Leon, how did you not know this card had dubious beginnings prior to today? I'm more than OK with you changing your position based on new information you may have received privately but you certainly new the controversy and about the suspected dubios origins prior to today. You did read this thread prior to posting you original thoughts correct?

How didn't I know something? What kind of question is that? IF I had heard that person's name, who owned it previous to the consignor, I would have known to be very, very skeptical of this card. I only knew the consignor as he and I had made a deal and he accepted it, for this very card. Then the deal didn't go through and he consigned it to REA. You yourself said you thought it was good too and you seem to know a lot about it? Help me understand that please?
I just found out who the person was that had it in their possession a long time ago , before the consignor to REA. That name doesn't instill any confidence at all in the card being legit. Does that make sense?

[Abravefan11]

Your post stated you didn't know until today the card could have dubious origins. I was simply stating you had to have known that this card was potentially dubious based on this and other threads on your own board.

Let's be honest and not BS about what this guy said or that guy said. I know who talked to you today and all you have is what they told you. This card could be junk but don't act ignorant like you aren't aware as of today and then change gears that now you're in the know.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Leon

I stand corrected on my earlier post in this thread. I received a phone call today telling me the card in question has potential dubious beginnings and is not trustworthy. I did not know this before today. The card is most likely not good and the person who bought it from REA has been apprised of the situation. I don't really know any more details that are firm so that is all I will say for now. I feel it important to correct myself when I find new information out. I learn something new everyday. regards

Did you bother to read this post by Leon ?

As I understand it, Leon's post is very similar to mine. Perhaps Leon will provide you a more satisfactory answer.

I respect the privacy of my source and will not reveal any more than what I have already said.


TED Z

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Did you bother to read this post by Leon ?

As I understand it, Leon's post is very similar to mine. Perhaps Leon will provide you a more satisfactory answer.

I respect the privacy of my source and will not reveal any more than what I have already said.


TED Z

For some unknown reason he doesn't believe me. I guess I made up what I said just to cause an argument? Makes sense to me.

[whitehse]

I just HAVE to go to next years National Net54 get-together. If this thread is any indication, the dinner must be incredible to participate in!!

[Cardboard Junkie]

WTF? Self serving, pompous, arrogant, self proclaimed experts! You know who you are! F*ck all y'all! Anyone who knows the facts about this card yet does'nt want them revealed is NOT a "well respected person in this hobby"!

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Leon

For some unknown reason he doesn't believe me. I guess I made up what I said just to cause an argument? Makes sense to me.

Leon-

This doesn't have anything to do with me not believing you. There's apparently a "story" behind this card that I guess only certain priveleged people are supposed to know about.

What are collectors supposed to base credibility on when it comes to a legit front and back combo? Maybe what "Trapper Jack" said?

Anyhow, I just want to know if it's a legit card or not, not looking to pick fights, or decipher posts to figure out if this PSA slabbed Red Cobb/Red Hindu is the real deal or not.

And, for the sake of "the hobby" I would hope well respected people would want to point out the fraud- not just to "select few" but to all........

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

I don't feel I should get other folks involved in this by revealing names. That being said here are a few things that might shed some light. This Red Hindu Red Cobb was consigned by a hobby-friend of mine that used to have some high end cards but is out of the hobby now. When I said I thought it was real, in this thread, it prompted a call to me. I just don't want to say who it was without his approval...and my guess is that he would rather not reveal his name as I doubt he wants the questions and obvious angst to go towards him as some in this thread have shown. Can anyone blame him? This person told me after the card was sold in auction that the buyer was made aware of the situation and did go back to PSA for a resolution. I don't know where that stands nor do I really care. Of course it's important for the buyer to know the story and I think he does. That is really all that mattered to me.

For Tim to say I was BS'ing about what I said is absolutely insane. What motive would I have for saying something that isn't true? It makes no sense whatsoever. I could actually give a rat's ass about the whole thing. I have no skin in the game. I could care less.

And one other thing. I had actually made a deal for that Red Cobb Red Hindu with the consignor to REA. At literally the 11th hour the seller backed out of the deal. If I am not mistaking I even told Lichtman, privately, that I was getting that card. I was going to pay 30k+ for it but felt it was worth it. At any rate I hope that helps a little bit. I know how it is when folks won't divulge things and beat around the bush. Hope my thoughts help a little bit. regards

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The source of the "inside info" regarding this particular Cobb card asked me not to reveal his name or the details of it.
He is a very well-respected person in the hobby who has some very interesting knowledge on the history of this card.

Anyhow, it's my understanding, that there are others in the hobby who also know of the details and may chime in here.


TED Z

Sorry to quote this again, but here's one of the problems with this situation. We have a card that is a possible front & back combo, in a graded TPG holder (I know I know), and we have a "very well-respected person in the hobby" who gives you "inside information" and asks you not to reveal his name or any of the details.

I guess I'm confused about why the shroud of secrecy regarding the card?

Wouldn't a well respected person in the hobby want the details of this card to be known about by anyone who collects these cards ?

This can easily be done while remaining anonymous.

And, if the card is not legit- wouldn't PSA buy the card back from the current owner and destroy it?

Sincerely, Clayton