New T205 Variations PB Doc White

[Wite3]

A variation for master set builders of all backs and variations...

It is like calling 1979 O-Pee-Chee a variation of Topps...same company, different advertising with a card stock and logo....Not a variation, just a different subset or set of cards. The Polar Bears are a subset of a T205 master set that includes all the advertising backs.

If you insist on collecting all the backs and calling them variations, then you better add several cards to your wantlist as a variation.

Joshua

--Exhausted after first day of school, so I hope this made sense--

Originally Posted by Wite3

A variation for master set builders of all backs and variations...

It is like calling 1979 O-Pee-Chee a variation of Topps...same company, different advertising with a card stock and logo....Not a variation, just a different subset or set of cards. The Polar Bears are a subset of a T205 master set that includes all the advertising backs.

If you insist on collecting all the backs and calling them variations, then you better add several cards to your wantlist as a variation.

Joshua

--Exhausted after first day of school, so I hope this made sense--

A t205 master set is impossible. I can guarantee that for sure. Joshua I am guessing that the Matty Cycle is not a variation either then. It is missing a 1 and only found with cycle backs. The Doc white is only found with PB backs missing quotes. Whats the difference????????????

[Tcards-Please]

That the Hassan backs only feature the Wilhelm "suffered" and not the "suffe_ed". And we know that the "suffered" version isn't found with Piedmont backs. Those examples are identified as variations as I believe the Mathewson and White should be as well.

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Frank

[Wite3]

Just my designators...I do not include the Wilhelms as variations but separate cards in separate sets.

Completing a true master set is most likely impossible, but I will tell you that I know a few people who have master sets of certain backs (I own a complete Polar Bear set...as complete as I know of). In fact, I know someone who has tried to put together not only a PB set but a Piedmont and Hassan 30 set and he is very close on a Hassan 649 set as well.

By calling these variations, all you are doing is trying to increase values. The same amount of cards exist. In fact, PB are among the most plentiful of the T205s but just watch the price rise on this card. That Matty Cycle should cost what a Matty costs plus the Cycle qualifier, not some huge arbitrary value based mistakenly on the "rarity" of the card. I do understand that demand will rise for master set builders and Matty collectors but not 10 times the demand!

Just my two cents and my quirks with this set...

Joshua

[marcdelpercio]

The simple fact is that the vast majority of collectors consider design differences to be variations, regardless of the back. There are plentiful examples from many mainstream sets (T206, T212, M116, Diamond Stars) in which individual cards appear only with backs of a certain color, ad, etc. These cards have been recognized for their design variations for as long as they have been checklisted.

The T205 Doc White and Matty variations are no different than the T206 O'Hara and Demmitt St. Louis cards, M116 team variations that appear only with a black or blue print back, Diamond Stars yearly variations with only a blue or green back...and on and on. These cards are ALWAYS valued relative to their design scarcity and demand. Otherwise, the Demmitt and O'Hara T206's would be selling for the same price as all the other Polar Bear 350-only cards with similar (or lower) populations. The market has pretty much dictated how a variation is defined for as long as cards have been collected, and the evidence is clear.