Authentic or Fake? You be the judge

[mcgwirecom]

It says it was signed "in the presence of". How could it be bad?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

It says it was signed "in the presence of". How could it be bad?

Randall, I'm referring to the Babe Ruth that Frank posted, not the one that started this thread. Both of them are awful.

[Piedmont Sport]

I've sent it to JSA for review ,,, i'll post results when i get it back. Funny as it may sound but ACE is the go to guy at Tri Star shows. Thats where the Ruth was purchased,,, IMHO I think it's good. FYI , JSA was at the show but only jimmy jr. was there. I've been searching for another source for some time that the public accepts ,,,, and i've used Mike Frost recently P.A.A.S. I know we could all list the many mistakes of the 2 leading companies but the world of preception wins ,,, if they say good then it must be real. After the last Pawn Star Show > Al Pacino Goof --- hard to look at those 2 companies the same. THE PISSING CONTEST CURRENTLY between PSA and JSA is a cause for major concern ,,,, it's a shame were forced by EBAY TO ONLY USE THOSE TWO. If anyone can share anthore company the the public accepts please post > Im sure we all have horror stories it's time to help each other.

[Piedmont Sport]

This authentication business really has become a joke. People truly enjoy jumping on an authenticator when they FEEL as though that person made a mistake. It's also great that almost everyone on this thread has mocked PSA and jsa, but then turn around and ask why dont I submit the item to PSA or jsa. It truly sickens me that people really buy loa's on the name of the company. I have a huge file of mistakes by PSA and jsa in my office.

[packs]

If ACE wants to build its reputation these are high profile signatures that need to be identified correctly.

[Piedmont Sport]

So now were using the law of large #'s - how would u feel if u were unlucky perc. - between the 2 companies over 20 mil autographs cert. at best lets use the 80 - 20 rule ,,, that means 1.6 million are bad. Have u seen the Mike Schmidt goof ,,,,, on Fox news --- we are getting different results on 4 companies > we are so affraid of the backlash that i purshased insurance from MARSH - MCLEANAN - to cover my companies ass. PAS and JSA are swiching employees - and we found PSA selling Joe D and Mickey baseballs in Virgina - Marco Rol show and myself and another dealer called them out on it. Get over it ,,,, if Jim sr. just happen to be taken out of the picture suddenly would all of still be running to JSA.

[RichardSimon]

But Frank you constantly complain here about PSA and JSA and yet you use JSA over and over.
You post here old news about the Mike Schmidt goof of JSA but you use him over and over.
At least be true to your word and don't be a hypocrite.
If I felt that the NY Times was an anti-Semitic newspaper I would stop buying it.
I stay true to my beliefs, always. Even if it costs me money, I stick to my beliefs.
If you think the big two are bad for the hobby then stop using them or else stay a hypocrite.
Actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words and so far you are only words.
And that Ruth is a piece of junk.
Ruth is "dead on" Frank? Dead on?
And please do post the JSA results when you get them. We will all be waiting.
My money is on a turndown,,, any takers?
In the interests of full disclosure, a few months ago, Mr Prisco used my services to examine a handful of autographs.
However, he seems to prefer the services of Mr. Priddy.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport

This authentication business really has become a joke.

Become?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport

This authentication business really has become a joke. People truly enjoy jumping on an authenticator when they FEEL as though that person made a mistake. It's also great that almost everyone on this thread has mocked PSA and jsa, but then turn around and ask why dont I submit the item to PSA or jsa. It truly sickens me that people really buy loa's on the name of the company. I have a huge file of mistakes by PSA and jsa in my office.

There's a big difference between PSA and JSA, and some of the other "authenticators." Sure, PSA and JSA make loads of mistakes, but they are honest mistakes; a number of people working for them just ain't that good. But I don't think anyone here would accuse them of knowingly vetting garbage. Then you have guys like Morales and Priddy, and quite a few others, who never met a signature they didn't approve of. They don't make mistakes, because they don't really offer an opinion. They sell certificates, plain and simple. Step right up, pay the fee, get a cert. Contract fulfilled.

No one who has seen and handled a dozen or so genuine Ruths, and has more than a passing acquaintance with holography would think for a second that that Ruth note is genuine.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

There's a big difference between PSA and JSA, and some of the other "authenticators." Sure, PSA and JSA make loads of mistakes, but they are honest mistakes; a number of people working for them just ain't that good.

Yeah but they sure do know how to advertise.

[Big Dave]

....and their biggest advertiser is eBay.

[Piedmont Sport]

Sure, PSA and JSA make loads of mistakes, but they are honest mistakes; a number of people working for them just ain't that good. There can't be LOADS of honset mistakes.

Would agree, but ignorance is no excuse. In my real life --- Insurance and Law they take away your licence and remove your practice , Just as they should for many in this field. I cant tell u how many autographs ive purchased from our members that have failed both companies. Which is it - are they good or bad , or really just another answer.
Richard you are correct > over the last 2 months we have sent very little out and have ove 400 items that I would normally have gotten cert'ed. I removed our current EBAY store , and will reopen a corp. one that is only for cert'ed photographs. For our insurance we are required to supply a forensic answer on each item and NO we don't use Moralas. As i stated before i'd rather look for answer's to help all involved. I've met Justin Priddy and have seen him over the last 2 years at the JP ROCK SOLID SHOW - I gave him a handful of items for a test run - at the same time I gave P.A.A.S. aprox. 30 - 40 items on a test run. Each company has treated me fairly and I don't think they are just saying YES they have turned down as many as they have passed almost the same perct. as the big 2 ,,, but we continue our search for an add. company that we feel is a good fit for us. It's difficult to find someone with credentials that are published and not just a company who hires people and signs off on those sigs.