What's this SGC rumor????

[E93]

I submitted several cards at the National and received outstanding service and accurate grading.
JimB

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by E93

I submitted several cards at the National and received outstanding service and accurate grading.
JimB

+1

[Mrvintage]

Here is my National grading experiences...First off i had a 33 George C Miller that was graded a psa 4(mk). Not wanting the qualifier I take the card to SGC and ask about a crossover. The guys that helps me at the SGC booth says he is one of the grader so I show him the card and he looks it over and says "that shouldn't be a problem" about getting a straight 4 grade so i pay the 20.00 bucks and come back 2 hours later to pick up my card and it is still in the psa holder with a sticker that says it didn't meet the min grade. I cracked out a psa 3 George C Miller and took it to psa and it got bumped to a psa 3.5. I took 3 1996 Ex-2000 Kobe Bryant rookies that were pulled by myself from boxes that same day to Beckett for their raw card review and when I picked them up I had an 8.5, 8, and one that said evidence of trimming....all of the companies make mistakes

[canjond]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

so I show him the card and he looks it over and says "that shouldn't be a problem" about getting a straight 4 grade so i pay the 20.00 bucks and come back 2 hours later to pick up my card and it is still in the psa holder with a sticker that says it didn't meet the min grade.

I like SGC, but if this happened to me, I would be VERY pissed. I'm happy SGC takes cross-overs seriously, but if a grader tells you "it shouldn't be a problem", you then pay him, and it instantly becomes a problem - well to me that's bad practice.

[JamesGallo]

What is going on here!! Ever since Spence bought in at SGC that place has been a freaking mess. Michael is one of the best employees they have ever had and his customer service is a HUGE reason why I spend so much time and money with SGC. They can't manage to keep one guy happy. I was wondering why I didn't see him at the National and this explains why. IMO I will not be using SGC until this mess gets cleaned up one way or the other. This back and forth is just not acceptable.

I like the graders over there and all, but honestly who is running things from a service point of view. As far as I am concerned the front man, the customer service rep is the face of the company and they keep messing with it. I love SGC and really have always been a huge supporter but this is crap.

One simple question....
How do you ruin a great company in less then 1 year?

Answer-Get bought by JSA.

James Gallo

[glchen]

Again, I want to point out that I'm not picking on SGC, and PSA has tons of examples of doing this. However, this Magie that sold on ebay recently, doesn't this look like it should have been graded Authentic because of the writing on the front of the card, which looks like there was an attempted erasure? The original owner of the card listed this on ebay BST on the board, so he may know better, of course.

The other thing is that, and this is not really an overgrade, but more of a difference in grading philosophy, but SGC is much more lenient on diamond cuts than PSA IMHO. The Gehrig that was slabbed by SGC as 3, probably would have received an Authentic from PSA. Again, I can point out these two cards from SGC, and be shown 20 cards from PSA that have similar, if not worse, issues than these. No question that PSA needs to tighten up their grading consistency better.

I also have to say the ex-SGC employees are superb. When looking at the SGC board, it's crazy how much work Brian is still doing there. He doesn't even work for SGC anymore, and he's still answering forum questions, updating the SGC registry. That's dedication. I also had the recent experience working with Derek Grady on a consignment for Heritage. He was extremely pleasant and made the entire process for my first consignment to Heritage very smooth. Those beaters in the November Signature auction are mine! I haven't had a chance to work much with the new crop of SGC reps, but I do have a growing pile of cards that I'm preparing to send that way, and they have big shoes to fill.

[danmckee]

I like Scott the grader a lot. He is a super guy and fun as hell to hang out with. I like Michael as customer service and Brian was amazing. Derek was an asset as well.

I even liked the new guy they hired in place of Michael that is now gone already. I hear there is one particular guy that is making everyone else miserable. I would think a company would see this and rectify the one instead of the many.

I... better stop right here

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glchen

The other thing is that, and this is not really an overgrade, but more of a difference in grading philosophy, but SGC is much more lenient on diamond cuts than PSA IMHO. The Gehrig that was slabbed by SGC as 3, probably would have received an Authentic from PSA.

Grading companies have the right to define their own grading standards. However, nowhere in SGC's or PSA's standards does it say that diamond cuts (or cards with erasure marks) receive an automatic "Authentic." I'm not sure where you came up with that.

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by glchen

Again, I want to point out that I'm not picking on SGC, and PSA has tons of examples of doing this. However, this Magie that sold on ebay recently, doesn't this look like it should have been graded Authentic because of the writing on the front of the card, which looks like there was an attempted erasure? The original owner of the card listed this on ebay BST on the board, so he may know better, of course.

The other thing is that, and this is not really an overgrade, but more of a difference in grading philosophy, but SGC is much more lenient on diamond cuts than PSA IMHO. The Gehrig that was slabbed by SGC as 3, probably would have received an Authentic from PSA. Again, I can point out these two cards from SGC, and be shown 20 cards from PSA that have similar, if not worse, issues than these. No question that PSA needs to tighten up their grading consistency better.

I also have to say the ex-SGC employees are superb. When looking at the SGC board, it's crazy how much work Brian is still doing there. He doesn't even work for SGC anymore, and he's still answering forum questions, updating the SGC registry. That's dedication. I also had the recent experience working with Derek Grady on a consignment for Heritage. He was extremely pleasant and made the entire process for my first consignment to Heritage very smooth. Those beaters in the November Signature auction are mine! I haven't had a chance to work much with the new crop of SGC reps, but I do have a growing pile of cards that I'm preparing to send that way, and they have big shoes to fill.

This is one of my complaints with SGC. IMHO, SGC needs to establish a qualifier with their grading system. A couple of years ago, I purchased a 1941 Playball card that had four obvious glue marks on the back from when it was placed in a scrapbook. The card looks great on the front but the seller did not disclose a picture of the back during the auction. I did not complain as I won the auction with a good price. But, I was disappointed with SGC.

[cobblove]

I have been having cards graded sence 1998 by PSA, When SGC first came out I used them just as much as PSA bc they were exciting and new, They also had the .5 grade thing. So all is good for the next 10 years for me and then SGC just seems to just D#*K me around. Up untill the last year I used them maybe 2-4xs a year. After the last national I told them I would never use them again. Was not pleased with my customer service at the national and I now shifted towards BVG as well. I sent them 80 cards this national all PRe 1970. Im going to give them a chance which I feel they diserve. They graded all my cards exactly how I felt they should grade.
PSA and BVG for me!!! SGC never again!!

[4815162342]

I feel that the tide is turning.

[alanu]

Concerning BVG, I haven't used them for pre-war and I like BGS for new shiny stuff, but have had some problems with buying higher grade (EX-MT or better) 1950-60's cards and trying to cross them to PSA or SGC, they often come back "evidence of trimming"

[vintagetoppsguy]

When I search "PSA" on eBay, then filter by "Cards" then "Baseball," here are the results:

151,101 Total
40,928 1981-present
99,086 1942-1980
11,760 Pre-1942
1,165 Not Specified

When I search "SGC" and apply the same filters, here are the results:

16,175 Total
1,465 1981-present
8,906 1942-1980
5,895 Pre-1942
121 Not Specified

Here's what that tells me. There are a lot of people submitting modern CRAP (1981 to present) to PSA. The majority of PSA's business is 1942-1980 and I attribute this to the set registry. Pre-War submissions are pretty close (which another member already pointed out).

[jp1216]

I never really liked BGS/BVG in the past. Slabs were bigger, thicker and (IMHO) blurrier. Tough to see the card inside the slab - if you know what I mean.
But, I've crossed a total of 4 cards (all pre-war) from BVG to SGC over the years and every one of them got a +1 bump. Best card was a BVG 1 Cy Young that ended up in a beautiful SGC 20 slab.
No one ever likes to send in cards to a company 'with issues' or change. Think GAI a few years ago. But I'd still trust and use SGC right now.

[cobblove]

"Concerning BVG, I haven't used them for pre-war and I like BGS for new shiny stuff, but have had some problems with buying higher grade (EX-MT or better) 1950-60's cards and trying to cross them to PSA or SGC, they often come back "evidence of trimming"""

Crossing over is the best thing grading companies can do to creat doubt with competitors. Cracking out with cause different results

[alanu]

Originally Posted by cobblove

"Concerning BVG, I haven't used them for pre-war and I like BGS for new shiny stuff, but have had some problems with buying higher grade (EX-MT or better) 1950-60's cards and trying to cross them to PSA or SGC, they often come back "evidence of trimming"""

Crossing over is the best thing grading companies can do to creat doubt with competitors. Cracking out with cause different results

I originally did crack the first card I crossed over and it came back from both PSA/SGC as "evidence of trimming". The others I kept in the slabs just in case they would come back with the same problem.

[bcbgcbrcb]

A while back, I crossed over a BGS 1 (not BVG) Koufax RC over to SGC (while still in the Beckett holder) and received either a 30 or 40, I forget which. If anything I would say that BGS does not take their grading standards lightly to give out generous grades and is every bit as accurate as SGC.