What's this SGC rumor????

[4815162342]

I feel that the tide is turning.

[alanu]

Concerning BVG, I haven't used them for pre-war and I like BGS for new shiny stuff, but have had some problems with buying higher grade (EX-MT or better) 1950-60's cards and trying to cross them to PSA or SGC, they often come back "evidence of trimming"

[vintagetoppsguy]

When I search "PSA" on eBay, then filter by "Cards" then "Baseball," here are the results:

151,101 Total
40,928 1981-present
99,086 1942-1980
11,760 Pre-1942
1,165 Not Specified

When I search "SGC" and apply the same filters, here are the results:

16,175 Total
1,465 1981-present
8,906 1942-1980
5,895 Pre-1942
121 Not Specified

Here's what that tells me. There are a lot of people submitting modern CRAP (1981 to present) to PSA. The majority of PSA's business is 1942-1980 and I attribute this to the set registry. Pre-War submissions are pretty close (which another member already pointed out).

[jp1216]

I never really liked BGS/BVG in the past. Slabs were bigger, thicker and (IMHO) blurrier. Tough to see the card inside the slab - if you know what I mean.
But, I've crossed a total of 4 cards (all pre-war) from BVG to SGC over the years and every one of them got a +1 bump. Best card was a BVG 1 Cy Young that ended up in a beautiful SGC 20 slab.
No one ever likes to send in cards to a company 'with issues' or change. Think GAI a few years ago. But I'd still trust and use SGC right now.

[cobblove]

"Concerning BVG, I haven't used them for pre-war and I like BGS for new shiny stuff, but have had some problems with buying higher grade (EX-MT or better) 1950-60's cards and trying to cross them to PSA or SGC, they often come back "evidence of trimming"""

Crossing over is the best thing grading companies can do to creat doubt with competitors. Cracking out with cause different results

[alanu]

Originally Posted by cobblove

"Concerning BVG, I haven't used them for pre-war and I like BGS for new shiny stuff, but have had some problems with buying higher grade (EX-MT or better) 1950-60's cards and trying to cross them to PSA or SGC, they often come back "evidence of trimming"""

Crossing over is the best thing grading companies can do to creat doubt with competitors. Cracking out with cause different results

I originally did crack the first card I crossed over and it came back from both PSA/SGC as "evidence of trimming". The others I kept in the slabs just in case they would come back with the same problem.

[bcbgcbrcb]

A while back, I crossed over a BGS 1 (not BVG) Koufax RC over to SGC (while still in the Beckett holder) and received either a 30 or 40, I forget which. If anything I would say that BGS does not take their grading standards lightly to give out generous grades and is every bit as accurate as SGC.

[cobblove]

+! on BVG!

I have more horror stories from SGC than I do from PSA and BVG combined.
SGC 96 1956 #120 Bill V. Football Trimmed.
SGC 92 1979-80 Topps Wayne Gretzky Trimmed.
To name the recent ones.
PSA has 1 that was trimmed from recent.
None by BVG as of this year.