Rookie Cards of Baseball Hall of Famers

[bcbgcbrcb]

Good questions, guys.

I am well aware of the Dean's Winfield but have chosen to not include it as the majority of collectors would not consider it a card although it is definitely a Rookie piece. I have basically done the same thing with all team issued photo packs, etc. if you check a lot of the 1940's Rookie Cards, you will see that.

After the 1-of-a-kind cards, the second McGraw card would be his 1902 W600 and the second Young card would be his 1902 W600.

Regarding the Puerto Rican Schmidt, since it was Winter League (not Minor League) and after his Major League debut, I included it as I have done with many Negro League players on the list. The MacPhail and Weiss cards could go either way, it's tough to say so I am going to leave those choices up to the individual collector.

I did include the Family Fun Ozzie as it has just about all the attributes of a card as compared to the Dean's Winfield photo.

The W560 question is a good one, if a corrected date can be pinpointed, I would go back and revise those necessary entries on the list. Keep in mind, that I have researched the Postcard-Back Exhibits and many could not have been issued earlier than 1928 or 1929 based on the uniform styles pictured.

This evening, I will go back and list second cards for those Rookie Cards which have a single unique example known.

Once again, I appreciate all of the input!

[leftygrove10]

Phil:

Great list! Thank you for putting in the effort and time required to make such a list!

I do have a question: Do you consider the 1921-30 Major League Ball Die-Cuts to be options for your list?

Brad

[bcbgcbrcb]

Brad:

I decided to leave theose out, primarily since collectors were the ones responsible for taking the stickers identifying the players and placing them on generic cut-outs. In general, it is an extremely unpopular set so I decided that it would be better left off. I know that it does have a couple of players like Cronin who would definitely pre-date any of their other cards.

[DanP]

Rick Ferrell (1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits)
RC?

Not for me. I'd prefer to have the players name spelled correctly and of course the player on the card be that of the player . I have this card (actually two of them) but still call his 33 Goudey his RC.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Jimi:

I did not include any team photo cards, that's why the Posey from 1988 is not there.

[jimivintage]

Gotcha. I've not owned one, and I guess I hadn't realized they were a photo of some sort. They look like cards to me.

PM sent.

Jimi

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by jimivintage

Gotcha. I've not owned one, and I guess I hadn't realized they were a photo of some sort. They look like cards to me.

PM sent.

Jimi

He wasn't saying that it was a photo, he was saying that it was basically a team card...

Personally, I'd count the card since he is singularly named on the bottom of the card, and depicted individually outside of the team picture... Just to note, I don't have the card, but have been looking a while for an affordable one, same with the 1996 playing card of effa manley...

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by novakjr

He wasn't saying that it was a photo, he was saying that it was basically a team card...

Personally, I'd count the card since he is singularly named on the bottom of the card, and depicted individually outside of the team picture... Just to note, I don't have the card, but have been looking a while for an affordable one, same with the 1996 playing card of effa manley...

here's my 1988 Posey - and yes, it's definitely a "card", not a "photo" - and it's shockingly not all that affordable...I've been looking for the 1996 Manley card for a while as well:

[insidethewrapper]

Phil: I appreciate the list. Your a true hobby man. Sharing data is so unselfish. Thanks.

[Hankphenom]

Not to nitpick, but I disagree with the Walter Johnson listing of the Weiser cabinet as his "rookie card." To me, this is a mounted photograph, not a card. Not sure what his rookie card would be, maybe the American Caramel, I'll leave that to the card experts. I just don't see a one-of-a-kind photo of a baseball player as being a baseball card, that's all.

[dougscats]

Hi Phil.

I recently bought this Buck Leonard on Net54.
It was described as a "1960's Jim Rowe Postcard, wearing 1958 Durango uniform [autographed]."

May I take it that this is an artifact/that such postcards are not designated as cards?

Thanks.

Doug

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Not to nitpick, but I disagree with the Walter Johnson listing of the Weiser cabinet as his "rookie card." To me, this is a mounted photograph, not a card. Not sure what his rookie card would be, maybe the American Caramel, I'll leave that to the card experts. I just don't see a one-of-a-kind photo of a baseball player as being a baseball card, that's all.

I think that Johnson's Rose Co. Postcard is now considered his rookie card (if one includes postcards). It was definitely issued in 1908.

I think that both Johnson's Weiser Wonder cabinet and postcard are referred to as his "pre-rookie" cards.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Guys, don't I have the Rose Comapny P/C listed as WaJo's rookie card in my first post of this thread?

I agree with Kevin S.

[bcbgcbrcb]

I would treat that Buck Leonard postcard as a real photo postcard, unless it's part of a catalogued set, I would not use it as a rookie card. It's not the postcard designation itself, it's more the uniqueness as well as the lack of dates of issue and the fact that those were produced over many years. I would consider those Rowe postcards more like a collector's issue set, kind of like Broder's sets from the 70's and '80's.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Guys, don't I have the Rose Comapny P/C listed as WaJo's rookie card in my first post of this thread?

I agree with Kevin S.

Phil - you do. I was just responding to Hank's post concerning the Weiser PC and his asking about the E91 American Caramel issue.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Guys, don't I have the Rose Comapny P/C listed as WaJo's rookie card in my first post of this thread?

I agree with Kevin S.

I was just responding to your post of the 13th. On the Weiser postcards, I don't believe any were issued until several years after he had left Weiser. If the Rose set was issued in 1908, that would certainly qualify as a rookie card since there wasn't time for any 1907 issues. Perhaps the American Caramel was also from 1908, but as I said I'm no expert on that.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Matt:

The Tip Top Grove was a minor league card, thus making it a pre-rookie and not a rookie card.