Rookie Cards of Baseball Hall of Famers

bcbgcbrcb · #1 09-21-2011, 10:40 AM

Matt:

I know that this is a questionable call but I chose not to include those types of paper premiums as "cards", thus omitting them from Rookie Card consideration. The same thing applied to the Joe Gordon - Goudey Premium that David mentioned as well.

David:

I'm not an expert on the dating of the Salutation Exhibits but I believe that you can narrow most down to a more specific range of years but not a definitive issue date.

bcbgcbrcb · #2 09-21-2011, 10:44 AM

More good questions, Dan.

Regarding the Diaz Cigarettes RC's. since there are a number of examples known from this set with multiple copies of their cards, I think that it is safe to assume that they are not unique examples, very tough to find, for sure but likely not unique.

Same thinking would apply to the Star Player Candy issue as well as the couple of others that you mentioned. I have seen the Hack Wilson & Early Wynn, each is very scarce as well but not unique.

Matt · #3 09-21-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

I know that this is a questionable call but I chose not to include those types of paper premiums as "cards", thus omitting them from Rookie Card consideration. The same thing applied to the Joe Gordon - Goudey Premium that David mentioned as well.

You are the first collector I've ever come across that qualifies R314s, R313s and R311s and doesn't qualify R303s, but, as was said above, it's your list.

bcbgcbrcb · #4 09-21-2011, 12:49 PM

Matt:

The R314 & R313 (which I never mentioned on my list) are both postcard sized items. The R311 (which I also never mentioned on my list) is much larger as is the R303A in question. I would not consider either of those to be cards.

terjung · #5 09-21-2011, 02:07 PM

nm

Matt · #6 09-21-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Matt:

The R314 & R313 (which I never mentioned on my list) are both postcard sized items. The R311 (which I also never mentioned on my list) is much larger as is the R303A in question. I would not consider either of those to be cards.

Actually R303A is not much larger than postcard size. They are 4" x 6-3/16" (even the larger R303Bs are smaller than W600s). Again, it's your list so do as you see fit, but you are the first collector I've met that has made that distinction.

bcbgcbrcb · #7 09-21-2011, 02:57 PM

Matt:

Until I just looked it up today, I did not realize that the R303 A,B & C's were different sizes, the B's & C's are larger and the A's are smaller. Am I correct that the Williams is the only Rookie in the "A" series?

Anyway, I am going to add that one as another option to my Ted Williams listing. Thanks for the insight on it.

I guess that the R312's would be okay then as they are about the same size. I will go ahead and add those in too.

rhettyeakley · #8 09-21-2011, 04:05 PM

Both the dual tone and single toned W560 sets are BOTH 1929 issues at the earliest!

-The dual tones (either red photo on black suit cards, or black on red) were produced first and are a more mixed-subject set (more football, boxing, actors, etc.). Rogers Hornsby is in the set as a member of the Chicago Cubs, a team he was first with in 1929.

-The single tone set was produced after the dual toned set, and many of the non-baseball subjects were eliminated (not all though). This set has as one of the new players added Fred Maguire with the Boston Braves, a team was not with until 1929.

The common denominator in all of this is the 1929, that is the earliest these sets could have been made. We have had this discussion before...
http://net54baseball.com/showthread....hlight=maguire

I'm not sure there is any debate left about them, were I a rookie card collector I would not be counting these as a 1927 set.

-Rhett

bcbgcbrcb · #9 09-21-2011, 04:20 PM

Thanks for the info, Rhett. I will go back and look at the other options for those three players with W560 Rookie Cards (Foxx, Grove & L. Waner) and see if the W560's still remain as their earliest card, even as a 1929 issue.

Well, Waner has another 1927 card so the W560 has now been removed.

ls7plus · #10 09-25-2011, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Matt:

Until I just looked it up today, I did not realize that the R303 A,B & C's were different sizes, the B's & C's are larger and the A's are smaller. Am I correct that the Williams is the only Rookie in the "A" series?

Anyway, I am going to add that one as another option to my Ted Williams listing. Thanks for the insight on it.

I guess that the R312's would be okay then as they are about the same size. I will go ahead and add those in too.

I agree with you guys that the 1939 R303 Williams should definitely be classified as one of his rookies. Would love to have one in any shape, so long as its graded, if anyone has one they are interested in parting with at a reasonable price.

Another card I have always suspected was a Ted Williams rookie was the 1939-46 Exhibits "No. 9 shows." The pop reports would seem to indicate this card may well have been a one year only issue, with presumably a change to the more artistic "#9 not showing" thereafter. Maybe Adam would have some info here as well.

Best regards,

Larry

Exhibitman · #11 09-25-2011, 07:27 AM

I'll take a look and see what I can come up with.

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