Trimmed Card Crossover

vintagetoppsguy · #1 09-21-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

SGC only saves the most recent invoices, unlike PSA that saves every single one.

Bobby, that's simply not true. I can view all my invoices back to 2009. I can't go back any further becasue I submitted under a different customer number and I can't remember that username and password for that account, but I can go back at least two years. I KNEW you didn't have cohones!

alanu · #2 09-21-2011, 11:04 AM

I've had a few cards that were viewed trimmed by PSA and then were slabbed by SGC, all but one were diamond stars.

vintagecpa · #3 09-21-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by alanu

I've had a few cards that were viewed trimmed by PSA and then were slabbed by SGC, all but one were diamond stars.

Getting back to the topic. In your opinion, who was correct? If one grading company states a card is trimmed, but another slabs it, in most cases, who is correct? Or is there that much of a gray area?

Basically, my question would be is it more likely for a TPG to determine a clean card is trimmed, or is it more likely that a TPG slab a trimmed card as clean? In my particular case, I was almost positive a card I returned was trimmed. Thanks.

glchen · #4 09-21-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagecpa

Getting back to the topic. In your opinion, who was correct? If one grading company states a card is trimmed, but another slabs it, in most cases, who is correct? Or is there that much of a gray area?

Basically, my question would be is it more likely for a TPG to determine a clean card is trimmed, or is it more likely that a TPG slab a trimmed card as clean? In my particular case, I was almost positive a card I returned was trimmed. Thanks.

I'm going to give an un-PC answer, but what is my personal belief. I think it is more likely that either TPG (SGC or PSA) will slab a trimmed card if the value isn't worth much (i.e., submitted at a lower service level). I personally think at lower service levels, graders zip through the cards faster, and therefore some cards get missed. At higher service levels, graders are a lot more cautious, and will move the benefit of the doubt to trimmed. For example, for the attached Cracker Jack Joe Jackson, why is this card Authentic with the Unaltered comment? If a card isn't altered, if if it doesn't meet Minimum Size Requirements, shouldn't it get a number grade, a la diamond cut cards. More to the point, have you ever seen an Unaltered comment on the flip for a card with a value under $500? Again, I think PSA would slab this card as Authentic also because of minimum size requirement even if they didn't detect any trimming.

steve B · #5 09-21-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by glchen

I'm going to give an un-PC answer, but what is my personal belief. I think it is more likely that either TPG (SGC or PSA) will slab a trimmed card if the value isn't worth much (i.e., submitted at a lower service level). I personally think at lower service levels, graders zip through the cards faster, and therefore some cards get missed. At higher service levels, graders are a lot more cautious, and will move the benefit of the doubt to trimmed. For example, for the attached Cracker Jack Joe Jackson, why is this card Authentic with the Unaltered comment? If a card isn't altered, if if it doesn't meet Minimum Size Requirements, shouldn't it get a number grade, a la diamond cut cards. More to the point, have you ever seen an Unaltered comment on the flip for a card with a value under $500? Again, I think PSA would slab this card as Authentic also because of minimum size requirement even if they didn't detect any trimming.

I don't know if they'd have added unaltered, but my two rejected cards from SGC could both have qualified - One min size, the other "miscut" very rough cut, but still factory and within the size. I checked off to have rejects not slabbed since I know none were trimmed or altered.

I haven't sent any in to PSA, and only about 15 to SGC. I do see a lot of variance in the mid grades, even in my small sampling. One I think was given a grade too high, another 3-4 I thought were undergraded, one by quite a bit.

Steve B

glchen · #6 09-21-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Bobby, that's simply not true. I can view all my invoices back to 2009. I can't go back any further becasue I submitted under a different customer number and I can't remember that username and password for that account, but I can go back at least two years. I KNEW you didn't have cohones!

David,

What Bobby says is true. I don't know how you're able to view your old invoices unless you know those invoices #'s like I said in my last post. If you see my attached screenshot, I can only see my Recent Invoices to the beginning of 2011.

vintagetoppsguy · #7 09-21-2011, 11:42 AM

I see all of mine.

glchen · #8 09-21-2011, 11:53 AM

David,

I see in your screenshot, you still have the scrollbar at approximately the same size as mine. It could be that SGC only shows the last 5 invoices regardless of year. That is, I only see my most 5 recent invoices. Do you have more than 5?

ullmandds · #9 09-21-2011, 12:20 PM

mike...I don't think your question can be answered...as has been displayed...it's not that cut and dry! I have seen instances of both SGC and PSA misgrading cards...and I can't see any pattern...or rhyme or reason to certain sets...or types of cards this occurs with!

I HAVE seen many more errors from PSA...but this is most likely due to the fact that they have graded so many more cards than SGC.

Personally...I trust SGC much much more than PSA when it comes to accurate...consistent grading of my vintage cards...but as stated...they both make mistakes...and if you don't like the decision...resubmit!

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