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10-06-2011, 10:48 AM
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I won lots from Verkman last night. While I don't like how it ends, it is actually one of the preferred places I like the bid at.....
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10-06-2011, 11:47 AM
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if you're the only bidder...shouldn't you have won it outright before the extended bidding? i thought that was standard with all auction houses...
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10-06-2011, 11:55 AM
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I'm not a big auction house bidder, but from all the threads that I have read, I have to say, that outside of shill bidding accusations, it seems most of the complaints come from those who lost items. I don't remember seeing a lot of posts from those who won items, but feel they paid more because of a shill.
To me the answer is simple. If you don't like the rules of an auction don't bid. If no one bids, no one will consign to that house and the other auction houses whose rules are more acceptable to the whole will be successfull. It appears that the addiction we all share trumps all. On one thread, you hear complaints then it seems the same person later on will post what they won in a subsequent auction from the same house. (Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying everyone does this, but it sure does seem that a whole lot of the group complain about auctions and then equal numbers post their winnings.) If they have great items, people will bid regardless of the rules. Another interesting point I see, is how people bid. I think if everyone bid the most they are willing to pay right away, there would be no need for anger at the rules. It appears that all auction houses have some form of proxy bidding set up. If you're willing to pay $1000 for something then proxy bid $1000. If someone wins for $1100, even if it is a snipe, you can't be too upset, because you weren't willing to pay that for it. If you don't trust the auction house with your proxy bid then you either need to stay up until it closes or, perhaps more appropriately, you shouldn't give them your business. Just my 2c. Mark Velarde
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10-06-2011, 03:03 PM
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I should add that shilling doesn't automatically mean raising each lot to the maximum bid. Just as house burglary doesn't automatically mean robbing every house in the neighborhood. That your house was never burgled doesn't prove no house burgled.
That paragraph has nothing to do with the auction house in this thread. I don't follow or bid there, so have zero knowledge on their practices. If they say they don't shill, I'll have no reason to think otherwise.
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10-06-2011, 03:03 PM
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Seems just a bit fishy (and unlikely) to me as well...
Now, if the item in question re-appears in a future Clean Sweep Auction, it would be cause for further suspicion/concern. Given the circumstances (and the fact that Verkman wouldn't budge off of the $800 price at the National) it would be great to hear from Steve on this matter as well. That said, I have always had pleasant dealings with Clean Sweep, both as a bidder and consignor  Mark Steinberg
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10-06-2011, 03:08 PM
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Actually, if you were a professional shiller, it would be dumb to bid each lot up to the maximum. Would be used as strong evidence against you at trial. After all, what are the odds that all maximums would be reach naturally over a long period-- close to if not 0%.
Last edited by drc; 10-06-2011 at 03:09 PM.
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