T206 - Doyle N.Y. Nat'l - info??

[Abravefan11]

There are only two cards in the T206 set that were errors and corrected during production, Doyle N.Y. Nat'l and Magie.

Many other players names were misspelled and Ellam was given the wrong team designation, but none of them were corrected like the Doyle and Magie. The other things I believe you're referring to are print anomalies or quality control issues and not actual changes made to the card. The Doyle error was caught quickly resulting in a small number of these cards being distributed. Less than 10 are known and that makes it the scarcest of the 524 subjects in the set.

[taborton101]

Thanks...I guess what I'm looking for is a reference / documentation / book on when, how, etc. these 2 errors were caught, and why these are the 'important errors'?...for example, as you mention, the Ellam error and numerous name misspellings and other anomalies that can be seen with many players...why were these not 'corrected' in the same way that, for example, Magee's name was corrected?

[barrysloate]

An error has to be caught to be corrected.

There are other errors too, such as the spelling of "Myers" and "Meyers" This misspelling occurred among different poses and none of them were corrected. But Tim knows more than I do, he can explain.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

An error has to be caught to be corrected.

There are other errors too, such as the spelling of "Myers" and "Meyers" This misspelling occurred among different poses and none of them were corrected.

I think that's exactly right Barry, that they just didn't know about them, but at this point why they corrected a few and not the others is speculation. In addition to the Doyle and Magie errors there are 23 other cards with misspelled names. Why weren't these corrected during production? Five players on six of the 23 cards have other poses in the set with their names spelled correctly like the Myers and Meyers Barry referenced.

[ullmandds]

You won't find what you're looking for...only speculation!

[taborton101]

Thanks guys, that's my point, I'd love to learn more about how these 2 errors in particular became legends, and even if it's due to pure speculation which then spun into something much bigger, would be interested to read about the timeline, and details on how they go to their current status...the 'M(e)yer)' is another good example...and I've got a neat Marquard with red 'B' (looks like the old Boston logo), or maybe it's a red '8', right next to the NY logo - I know of at least 2 others with the same anomaly on the Marquard (ie, it's not a stamp or some other mark)...one of the things I love about this set are these little errors all over the place, and many that are very rare, yet...how did the Magie and Doyle Nat'l get to be worth thousands (or in Doyle's case, perhaps tens/hundreds of thousands)??

[Abravefan11]

Again those other things you mention like Marquard "B" are not changes made deliberately to the card.

The Marquard "B" was discussed and shown by several board members in a thread within the last year or so. It's an interesting mark (not a Boston B by the way) but not something added intentionally. Marquard "B" Thread

For a little more history on the Doyle error read this: Click Here

[barrysloate]

The Magie and Doyle errors became legends because the uncorrected versions are rare and expensive. If there were an equal number of "Magie" and "Magee" cards, and both were priced as commons, they wouldn't be legendary.

[steve B]

The Doyle error was an easy fix. They probably just went over the "natl" with a limestone crayon. So they found it early, fixed it quickly- probably didn't even need to remove the stone from the press, and went on printing.

Magie was a tougher fix, requiring the stone to be redone, or perhaps partly redone. If it was caught early, it might have been worth doing. I think the names were the only thing done in that brown color.
Maybe Magee saw the card and complained?

The other name/team problems may not have been caught till later, or not caught at all.

So if you're running the factory, and find a mistake after you've printed say 9000 of 10000 sheets do you have a new stone done to fix it? Then have to decide wether to ship the incorrect ones or 9000 wrong ones and 1000 right ones? Or do you just get like Sgt Schultz ( I see nothing!) and finish the print run and ship them?
Keeping in mind that these were pack stiffeners and just happened to have some sort of subject printed on them as a free giveaway, I'd finish the run and ship them if there wasn't a complaint.

Steve B

[barrysloate]

It was more important to meet production quotas and schedule deadlines than to make sure there were no spelling errors. This was business.