T206 - Doyle N.Y. Nat'l - info??

[ullmandds]

You won't find what you're looking for...only speculation!

[taborton101]

Thanks guys, that's my point, I'd love to learn more about how these 2 errors in particular became legends, and even if it's due to pure speculation which then spun into something much bigger, would be interested to read about the timeline, and details on how they go to their current status...the 'M(e)yer)' is another good example...and I've got a neat Marquard with red 'B' (looks like the old Boston logo), or maybe it's a red '8', right next to the NY logo - I know of at least 2 others with the same anomaly on the Marquard (ie, it's not a stamp or some other mark)...one of the things I love about this set are these little errors all over the place, and many that are very rare, yet...how did the Magie and Doyle Nat'l get to be worth thousands (or in Doyle's case, perhaps tens/hundreds of thousands)??

[Abravefan11]

Again those other things you mention like Marquard "B" are not changes made deliberately to the card.

The Marquard "B" was discussed and shown by several board members in a thread within the last year or so. It's an interesting mark (not a Boston B by the way) but not something added intentionally. Marquard "B" Thread

For a little more history on the Doyle error read this: Click Here

[barrysloate]

The Magie and Doyle errors became legends because the uncorrected versions are rare and expensive. If there were an equal number of "Magie" and "Magee" cards, and both were priced as commons, they wouldn't be legendary.

[steve B]

The Doyle error was an easy fix. They probably just went over the "natl" with a limestone crayon. So they found it early, fixed it quickly- probably didn't even need to remove the stone from the press, and went on printing.

Magie was a tougher fix, requiring the stone to be redone, or perhaps partly redone. If it was caught early, it might have been worth doing. I think the names were the only thing done in that brown color.
Maybe Magee saw the card and complained?

The other name/team problems may not have been caught till later, or not caught at all.

So if you're running the factory, and find a mistake after you've printed say 9000 of 10000 sheets do you have a new stone done to fix it? Then have to decide wether to ship the incorrect ones or 9000 wrong ones and 1000 right ones? Or do you just get like Sgt Schultz ( I see nothing!) and finish the print run and ship them?
Keeping in mind that these were pack stiffeners and just happened to have some sort of subject printed on them as a free giveaway, I'd finish the run and ship them if there wasn't a complaint.

Steve B

[barrysloate]

It was more important to meet production quotas and schedule deadlines than to make sure there were no spelling errors. This was business.

[taborton101]

So, what are thoughts on something like this (not talking about the asking price necessarily, but, just that I know of several errors like this, where names are misspelled, etc., and nobody seems to know of more than a handful of examples of the misspelling...)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Gus-Dop...item19ca2267c9

...so, if you're able to find a name misspelled, and submit to PSA for example, and find it is the only graded one known (ie, '1 of 1'), and have it slabbed with the misspelling called out in the description, does that put it in the same league as Magie? (ie, is this 'Dopner' worth anything?)

...also, has anyone figured out what the red 'B / 8', or whatever it is, is??

[barrysloate]

The jury is still out on these unintended printing glitches. They often sell for a lot of money, but not all serious T206 collectors embrace them. They differ from Doyle or Magie as they were not the result of a deliberate revision, but were caused by a foreign substance getting onto the plate and blocking a bit of the ink. Whether or not they are worth the money is subjective.

You're confusing genuine printing corrections with unintentional printing mishaps. Big difference.