Muhammad Ali Autograph on Angelo Marino REAL?

[shelly]

Mr Zipper,
I can only tell you that everyone of the respected authenticators passed numerous pieces of both Marino and Namath. It has been a long time since I have seen any of his work but when I do I will email it to you and you can tell me what you think.

[autograf]

I live in Louisville....hometown of Ali and the Muhammad Ali center.........I've got and have had a lot of Ali stuff over the years. I'm not an Ali autograph expert though. I've seen tons of in person Ali's and gotten in person Ali's that are complete different from each other. The ravages of Parkinsons have taken it's toll on him. I have a coffee table book that his photographer/handler did quite a while back that my dad got signed in person by Ali at a book signing downtown. He signed it in four places. My dad said he just kept turning the page and signing. One of the signatures looks TOTALLY different from the others even though it was signed at the same time. So.....who knows. I'm not sure what JSA/PSA charges for COA's but if you can get a couple hundred of them certed for $30-$50 per piece and they come back legit, I can imagine you would recoup more than that per piece. If you could sell for $400 instead of $200-$250, it's a no brainer. I wouldn't discount getting them certed by PSA/JSA even though they have their issues too..................

[grandstand69]

Originally Posted by autograf

I live in Louisville....hometown of Ali and the Muhammad Ali center.........I've got and have had a lot of Ali stuff over the years. I'm not an Ali autograph expert though. I've seen tons of in person Ali's and gotten in person Ali's that are complete different from each other. The ravages of Parkinsons have taken it's toll on him. I have a coffee table book that his photographer/handler did quite a while back that my dad got signed in person by Ali at a book signing downtown. He signed it in four places. My dad said he just kept turning the page and signing. One of the signatures looks TOTALLY different from the others even though it was signed at the same time. So.....who knows. I'm not sure what JSA/PSA charges for COA's but if you can get a couple hundred of them certed for $30-$50 per piece and they come back legit, I can imagine you would recoup more than that per piece. If you could sell for $400 instead of $200-$250, it's a no brainer. I wouldn't discount getting them certed by PSA/JSA even though they have their issues too..................

Thanks for your input. Believe me I've thought about submitting 25-40 at a time, however, my wallet keeps talking to me reminding my business side that I HAVE 300+ of these not to mention a batch of artist proofs #d /50. 300+ of the same item is a lot to move if my only outlet is ebay. I would imagine I'd flood the market fairly fast if I didn't stagger the sales over the year. I need to find a buyer who can buy 10-20 pieces at a time who have other outlets. I know with JSA COA or even PSA these should fetch a respectable amount. All his other 29x26" Lithos are $750-$2k and up. If you have any other thoughts or know a buyer who would do a trade/cash or cash deal please let me know. I thank you for your comments.

[jcmtiger]

You have so many of these Lithos. If I had them I would put one on ebay and see what happens.

Joe

[chaddurbin]

i would put up one with a cert and one w/o to test the water...but OP might be looking to move them in larger lots, like 10-15 to other dealers who would resell them.

[drc]

I still think cosigning one or two to one (or more) of the major auction houses will help you to sell them in the future. If Lelands, Heritage, Legendary or such auction one, you'll have a much easier time convincing the general public that they're on the up and up. You then may no longer have to get the rest of the posters by certed-- the Lelands or Legendary auction catalogs writeups will help establish for the public that the posters overall are legit.

I still think getting an eBay PSA quick opinion on one is good start. Start a new account if that makes things easier.

Obviously, if the Ali signatures are legimate, the Marino angle makes the issue less than simple.

[drc]

Obviously, it's nice to have the photos of Ali signing. Without those a lot people would be that much more suspicious.

What would be great too would be some sort of paper documentation or other evidence that Ali was hired to sign these, or at least sign for your dad/grandfather. I assume there was an agreement/contract, payment check.

Documentation/evidence your dad/grandfather had Ali do a signing + your photos of Ali Signing posters with the same design = good for cause. If you had a copy of the actual contract for the signing, that would be hard to beat.